Machinist superior then bards?

[Aiselia]

flame other people

You're the only one that's flamed anyone, though, with your "they can read tooltips and you can't".

Also, I'm not the only one that's mentioned seeing it, so clearly I'm not just spreading information based on what I've experienced, but what other Bards have experienced too.

"Inflicted" meaning every time your DoTs lower the target's hp it has a chance to reset bloodletter's cooldown. It isn't some magic interval, it says inflicted there for a reason.

I don't see that in the tooltip you quoted. I asked you to show me the tooltip which states that. You just showed me a tooltip that I already brought up and then gave your own interpretation, which was just restating your argument.

[JohnMccain]

I don't see that in the tooltip you quoted. I asked you to show me the tooltip which states that. You just showed me a tooltip that I already brought up and then gave your own interpretation, which was just restating your argument.

Is this even open to having multiple interpretations? River of Blood has a chance of activating when your DoTs do crit damage, it is specifically stated in the tooltip. DoTs only do damage roughly every three seconds. If SE had two instances handling DoT damage then that would be pretty retarded (why wouldn't they just make the 3s timer a 1s timer), and you would think they would have this magical instance updating the hp bar on the target as well based on when it ticks.

[Aiselia]

Is this even open to having multiple interpretations?

Clearly, since what you're saying doesn't mesh with what I've observed. It still isn't stated in the tooltip, so if you're going to attack me for not reading tooltips, it had better well be stated in a tooltip.

If SE had two instances handling DoT damage then that would be pretty retarded (why wouldn't they just make the 3s timer a 1s timer) and you would think they would have this magical instance updating the hp bar on the target as well based on when it ticks.

It limits the number of things that need to pop up and display for the PS3 players. What's happening server-side as far as damage calculations doesn't require PS3 power to calculate, whereas displaying things does. It's the reason why we don't get to see everyone's TP bars, making Army's Paeon that much harder to use effectively.

[Tsilyi]

Nobody has addressed my whole "if you have bloodletter available 3 times in one 2.5 second period (as in, getting two procs or whatever after having it ready as the gcd starts OR getting the mythical third proc 14th chakra genki dama) doesn't using the third bloodletter clip into the next on gcd ability?" Can't we only use 2 (now 1, with WM) oGCD abilities inbetween gcds?

[Sessurea]

Also on the matter of bard vs mch, all depends on alex savage. Bard will trump mcn in any situation involving a meaningful chance to multidot, no contest. ironjaw is arguably one of the strongest skills in the game afterall.

[pandabearcat]

It doesn't matter if double resets can occur or not.

1. They don't occur with enough frequency to impact dps.
2. Even if they did it is acceptable. Consider it another drawback of minuet - if it still gives you higher dps, then its fine.

[Aiselia]

1. They don't occur with enough frequency to impact dps.

That's cool that you can make that claim. The argument didn't stem from whether or not they caused a significant loss of DPS, though. It stemmed from the claim that BRD and MCH procs were exactly the same.

Edit: However, you're still wrong. Especially in multi-mob situations where you've got your dots ticking on multiple targets at the same time, it actually can happen very frequently.

[nuyu11]

Alex floor 4, Bard still king there... Mostly healer MP easily drain out with all the mechanic involved. Bard still can maintain overall DPS 800-900 even Ballad is on. I'm not sure why but the DPS in dungeon totally low and proc BL is not really often compare with 8 man pt. And I can cast bit longer my Ballad at Alex. But I have to admit Bard difficulty is tripple compare with ARR.

[Greywolfamakir]

I have to admit Bard difficulty is tripple compare with ARR.

triple? I play BRD/MCH and BRD by himself is not harder than ARR BRD, just currently You must pay a bit more attention because now You have to cast your skills, If You played or play a caster like BLM or SMN, You should adapt easily.

[OPneedNerfs]

And "you have no idea how bloodletter works because you never mained BRD" isn't? You know, some people actually got a chance to play BRD even though they play other jobs.

So you are one of the naysayers when people say classes are fine even though many others who main the class (and even those who don't that have felt the impact when partying with those classes) say they aren't?

So you think war 2.0 was ok and great (even yoshi.p said so, he must be right no?)

How about nins in 2.4?

Or how about more recently with bard 3.0 before the boosts to wm and gb damage? Were those unwarranted changes as well? Remember yoshi.p said it was fine just a few days before 3.01 hit.

All I'm saying is, you may talk the talk, but if you've never walked the walk like they(career main raiding classes) have, your input is just that much more unreliable.