Machinist superior then bards?

[pandabearcat]

it doesn't matter if you get a double proc (which certainly can happen, of course).

You can simply use the second proc in the next GCD...your dots won't tick again until after that point. You NEVER have to use BL as soon as it comes up, but you do need to use it within 1 GCD of it coming up.

[Odowla]

bards have 2 dots. that tick at exactly. the. same. time.

put your dots on a dummy. watch when the numbers show up.
watch when the dummie's hp moves. you will see they /exactly/ line up. every 3 seconds.


I dont know why you think because I dont main bard that I dont k ow how fucking basic game mechanics work, its not a hard concept. the phenomena you are mentioning has happened to me too. But it was the same situation i said - the dot tick lined up at the same time as a gcd, so it looked like i got 2 in 1 gcd. unfortunately, 3.0 > 2.5, so it didnt ACTUALLY happen, but it looked like it.
#bardmechanicsarehard

another and (admittedly, more common way it will happen) is when you dont proc for 15 seconds but proc again the second you use it. that way your BL cd rots, essentially, you use it, then a dot crit ticks right after you hit it, giving a proc in thr same gcd. thay happens, sure, but i mean its not that big of a problem

also, ticking twice in 1.5 second cast time. what? 3.0 is literally twice as long a period of time as 1.5seconds. it's not possible to proc twice in 1.5 seconds when the max is 1 proc per 3 second.

also, when i said MCH procs work exactly the same as bard, i was talking about thr straight shot procs because those do wprk exactly the same. you DO have time to hit it. you just cant be mashing heavy shot/split shot or the next splitshot/hs will queue and ofc you'll get thr blm problem.

[Aiselia]

It is impossible to miss a bloodletter

Unless of course it procs again before you use it. Kind of like how you miss a Firestarter on a BLM if one Fire 1 procs it, then you cast Fire 1 again and the second one procs it.

I dont main bard

Well, let's see. Should anyone take the word of someone who doesn't main Bard, or the multiple Bards who have said that it doesn't work how you think it does?

Oh, by the way, I got several of these when I was running my main scenario roulette last night as a Bard. And could actually use them because no cast times!

So you're still wrong.

i was talking about thr straight shot procs

So you're saying that because one proc may work somewhat similar but everything else is entirely different, the two classes' procs work exactly the same?

[RiceisNice]

Unless of course it procs again before you use it. Kind of like how you miss a Firestarter on a BLM if one Fire 1 procs it, then you cast Fire 1 again and the second one procs it.

Assuming single targets, it shouldn't be wasted if you use it as soon as it comes off because dots only tick every three seconds. The thing is that you have two ticks that are ticking within a second each other of every three seconds. I think that's where he was getting at. Of course if the two ticks proc during midcast, that's all out of the window.

[Odowla]

https://youtu.be/39F-jfyCuOY

shit quality right now, but basically what I'm talking about is the split shot spam. if you spam it, the next one will queue and you'll miss procs.

but you can see here if I don't spam the button, i can activate my procs without doing a cast. Its potentially even easier if you use an ogcd (similar to BLM fireweaving, except.. not shitty) to force the proc to show up earlier, but yeah. this is what i was talking about.

[Aleph]

I'm a career bard but since they changed it to bow wizard I've been trying out MCH. I'm only 58 but already GB feels much more fluid then WM. Almost to the point where it seems like the designed it originally for MCH but then threw it on bard last second because they didn't have any better ideas.

But then, I'm on the 'less dps, more utility' side of the bard argument. To close the dps gap for bard I'd rather them make a song that boosts phy dmg for a target party member. Drains mp and can't be used with other songs but can be used with BV. This would highlight that 'support' role they keep saying we are. It would also encourage players to actually play support and not sit on full MP pools for entire dungeons.

[OPneedNerfs]

What bards are complaining about is simple. i'll give a step by step explanation so people with large difficulty with understanding might...hopefully understand.

Example:

Cast heavy shot. Bloodletter naturally cools down 0.2s into the cast. You have a dot crit activating the rivers of blood trait at 0.5 seconds into the cast. bard casts can only be stuttered at 1 sec into the cast.

.1s Heavy shot casted
.2s Bloodletter comes off cooldown
.3s
.4s
.5s A dot crits, activating rivers of blood triggering a bloodletter reset
.6s
.7s
.8s
.9s
.10s Time that heavy shot can be interrupted without losing the effect. 1 bloodletter proc legitimately lost.

Gotta love all the non bards thinking they know stuff though, keep telling us how to play our jobs.

But muh game mechanics theorycrafting and 100% absolute tooltips.

[OPneedNerfs]

Then post a video of this. Any video. You can save yourself the hassle, and shut up all these nonBRD mains.

That's flawed logic right there. You don't go up to someone who does a certain job and tell them their personal observations when doing work is wrong because the policies and rules write otherwise.

How about all these non BRD mains stop chiming in with their theorycrafts and <5 minute tests on dummies and actually start gearing upand maining bard if ya'll think it's perfectly fine and dandy.

It's easy to say something is fine if they've never experienced it first hand on a regular basis. Remember how even as broken as war was in 2.0 there were still "brilliant" theorycrafters saying the class is fine and l2p? Yeah, same thing happening right here.

[JohnMccain]

That's flawed logic right there.

And "you have no idea how bloodletter works because you never mained BRD" isn't? You know, some people actually got a chance to play BRD even though they play other jobs.

I know what I've seen and done. You could post seven videos of yourself never getting double resets and it still wouldn't convince me because I know what I've done.

You can believe whatever the hell you like, but please don't spread information based on "what you have experienced" and then flame other people because they use reason without even giving a source of your claims.

Also, where's that tooltip that proves your point?

"Inflicted" meaning every time your DoTs lower the target's hp it has a chance to reset bloodletter's cooldown. It isn't some magic interval, it says inflicted there for a reason.