Machinist superior then bards?

[RiceisNice]

Seeing as how dots only tick once every 3 seconds, I don't think any class in this game has a cool down that can randomly reset multiple times in a single Gcd.

Seeing how I've gotten double BL ticks when Bahamut Prime is the only thing I can hit, as well as most bosses in current content give you opportunities to multi-dot, it's not as uncommon as it seems.

BRD and DRK are the only classes I can think off the top of my head that can reset their oGCD abilities, the latter through parrying. A little bit off topic though, BLM's thundercloud sees a similar problem that I'd like for them to put some attention into it. You only ever use thunder when it procs, but it apparently isn't worth using the GCD since it'd throw off enochian timers or some other thing. New abilities you get as you level shouldn't interfere with what's already there, but rather add onto it.

[Aiselia]

Seeing as how dots only tick once every 3 seconds, I don't think any class in this game has a cool down that can randomly reset multiple times in a single Gcd.

BRD has two DoTs, both can tick within a single GCD. If both crit, both have a chance to reset the cooldown. If you use BL during that GCD, you potentially have three uses of BL in one GCD. Which has actually happened for me before, several times. It's lovely when it happened before, but annoying now.

[Ephier]

BRD has two DoTs, both can tick within a single GCD. If both crit, both have a chance to reset the cooldown. If you use BL during that GCD, you potentially have three uses of BL in one GCD. Which has actually happened for me before, several times. It's lovely when it happened before, but annoying now.

Ah I see? But still am unsure how you are able to get 3 resets within a 2.5 or less time frame when dots tick on a 3s timer.

[Aiselia]

So wouldn't that be twice, not multiple?

Multiple
more than one

At least that's what Merriam-Webster tells me.

[Tsilyi]

BRD has two DoTs, both can tick within a single GCD. If both crit, both have a chance to reset the cooldown. If you use BL during that GCD, you potentially have three uses of BL in one GCD. Which has actually happened for me before, several times. It's lovely when it happened before, but annoying now.

I'm not entirely certain you can use BL 3 times in one GCD without clipping into the next one. Two maybe if you're lucky, but I'm pretty sure 3 is pushing into the next weaponskill, so you're probably better off delaying that third one, right?

[JohnMccain]

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Bloodletter can only reset every 3s, server DoT timings say so. River of blood is activated only when VB and WB crit. VB and WB tic at the exact same time(every ~3s). The only time you can get this "double proc" scenario is if your bloodletter comes off cooldown and your bloodletter resets via DoTs. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to figure this out. Being able to read tool tips and knowing how DoTs work truly help. I thought you needed to hear that from someone who mained BRD, if that is even a qualification lol.


Also there is no way of reacting to straighter shot procs. The proc registers right at the start of the next GCD. People can try it out for themselves by spamming heavy shot > straight shot and watch how the straighter shot proc doesn't get used up.

[Aiselia]

Bloodletter can only reset every 3s

Well, I don't know what to tell you, but I've experienced otherwise. Today, in fact. Just did Wanderer's Palace a short time ago and personally saw it reset twice within 3 seconds, with the first reset being halfway through the normal cooldown.

So honestly, I don't care how many people tell me how they think it works, I have personally experienced otherwise, so unless you can come up with some valid explanation for how I personally saw it reset twice within 3 seconds on a boss fight with only one target, I'm not going to say you're right, ever. Being able to read that I've personally experienced it reset multiple times within 3 seconds truly helps not continuing an argument that won't be won.

And that's of course only with one target. Add in multiple target scenarios and you've got any number of procs within 3 seconds if you're spreading the love.

[JohnMccain]

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Me and a few other people have provided hard evidence. And what did you provide? "Your personal experience" with no video or anything.

If you want to back up your claim, please provide a credible source.

[Sessurea]

What bards are complaining about is simple. i'll give a step by step explanation so people with large difficulty with understanding might...hopefully understand.

Example:

Cast heavy shot. Bloodletter naturally cools down 0.2s into the cast. You have a dot crit activating the rivers of blood trait at 0.5 seconds into the cast. bard casts can only be stuttered at 1 sec into the cast.

.1s Heavy shot casted
.2s Bloodletter comes off cooldown
.3s
.4s
.5s A dot crits, activating rivers of blood triggering a bloodletter reset
.6s
.7s
.8s
.9s
.10s Time that heavy shot can be interrupted without losing the effect. 1 bloodletter proc legitimately lost.

Gotta love all the non bards thinking they know stuff though, keep telling us how to play our jobs.

[Snugglebutt]

The primary reason I will be dropping bard as my main is due to the fact I now have to spend 80-90% of in-combat time staring at 10% of the screen aka my shortcut bars because of what feels like the randomness of procs, so many oGCD and GCD's to juggle and manage, addition of cast timers on some ~yet not all~ skills through a rotation and no stable rotations after the initial opening sequence. It's not fun anymore for me being what feels like forced to play the game staring just at my shortcut bars 24/7 in order to effectively manage it all.

I guess others might enjoy it but I no longer do so I would rather play a different class as my next main instead. Positional classes are even less annoying than this as someone who also plays monk because at least on those your staring at your character, the battle and the boss to figure out when to move and use your skills more so than bard in which I feel like I am being forced to stare at a tiny bottom portion of my screen watching the skill refreshes, random procs, oGCD/GCD's plus cast timers all the time alongside having to micro-manage unreliable and always unstable rotations.

Maybe that's just me but that's how it feels to me and it is a change from how it used to feel without the 3.0 changes, but it's a negative new feeling from playing the bard. I do not know if machinist feels the same way though as haven't tried it yet.