What makes you drop a group?

[KisaiTenshi]

I will drop if someone is being a loudmouth elitist jerk, or if the party keeps wiping to the same mechanic over and over.

I've never dropped a dungeon since release... generally the line has been crossed if one or more party members are being jerks.

My newest pet peeve: Healers who let me drop to 1,500 health on trash pulls so they can dps. Been getting nothing but THIS since I started dusk vigil yesterday. I don't mean to criticize your style of play, but DO YOUR DAMN JOB!

Are you playing Warrior? Are you wearing any DPS gear? Are you wearing all STR gear? If you answered YES to any two of those questions, you're the kind of build that Healers hate for exactly this reason. (eg Not being able to DPS, or WAR's being to damn squishy) The "Do your damn job" cuts both ways. Healers should be healing, and Tanks should be tanking.

I'd say >50% of WAR's are too squishy. But there's also various kinds of play styles I think are just -wrong- from healers that if I was tanking I'd probably tell them to quit being lazy.

- If they cast most/all their healing buffs immediately (eg protect+stoneskin+regen+medica II) before taking any damage. The kind of people that do this tend to spend too much time in cleric stance and don't actually know the fight mechanics at all. Protect+SS, fine. Protect+SS and Regen on top = idiot. Medica II on top of SS = also an idiot.
- If they cast Medica II in any 4-man content outside of a boss room. If they do this, they are doing this because they think they're a Scholar. Scholar's can cast Succor (and give a the party a shield) without the enmity penalty that the regen effect gives in Medica II. Anytime a healer does this, they are making the tanks job much harder than it needs to be.

Which goes back to the point about "doing your damn job", I don't envy tanks, but anytime I play a DPS, it seems like the bad tank to bad healer ratio is 2:1 . For every 2 runs with a bad tank, one of those will also have a bad healer. A good tank should minimize the amount of healing the healer needs to do in the first place. A bad tank is one where the healer is constantly having to do things like Tetra+Benediction during every pull to keep a tank from being squished in 3 seconds. To summarize... Tanks know when they are playing bad, because they don't use their Cool Downs. Healers don't know when they are playing badly EXCEPT when the Tank is playing badly too, because suddenly their lazy strategy doesn't work anymore. A good healer can more or less suffer through ONE bad tank, but they won't suffer through a bad tank AND two bad DPS on top.

At that point Vote Abandon is prefered.
How many times have I voted "Yes" to Abandon? maybe 3 times in entirety, mostly 8/24 raids where it was clear a DPS or two was being carried, and there was no getting over the DPS check.

It does irritate me how often "Vote Abandon" comes up after ONE wipe on the Alexander runs, it's just like the Extreme Primals and Coil... If the Vote goes NO, then one person walks out of the dungeon so we're forced to abandon it. I've also had at least one run where one DPS just stood outside the boss room on purpose so that the dungeon would have to be abandoned. Again, after ONE run. Who are these people think they're kidding. Jumping right back into the queue is going to get you most or all the same people again.

[Voldemort]

Using the Duty Finder for Titan EX and looking in the chat box:

"One or more players has yet to comple-"

.... enough said. No matter how many times you try to explain stacking, or that Titan will always do X move, followed by Y, it just doesn't sink in.

It's best to just leave and make a preformed party rather than hoping you haven't wasted about an hour wiping.

[Galgarion]

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I'm not a progresson tank, and I have no interest in pushing my dps potential to the limit. I go out of my way to be appropriately geared and healer friendly, and thanks to my understanding of proper cooldown management, I can pull goups quickly and remain a brick while doing so. But let me emphasize that I've been staying alive while tanking for these pew-pew crazy healers thanks to my cooldowns and inner beast and it has not been fun being forced into such self reliance. I've cut back considerably on DF tanking, because it's getting to the point where I just don't trust strangers to have my back. Everyone's gone crazy for dps and trying to be a jack of all trades instead of being the best at their primary role, and I don't like it one bit.

[kensatsu]

i am a war is use force accesories when needed, i am using my vita one most of the times,
so i never run a dgn with pugs with force accesories (exept when i got good crafted overmeled one, i still Have Enough HP in that case)
In extension i geared force only :
When we have not enough dps , and i point it to the healer:
for exemple in bismark ex i said to the healer it will be harder to heal me in the serpent phase, so let give this a try. But finaly it was not too hard for them, and we down it directly.
(after 3 groups in PF with not enough dps wipes... i was a little tired of it also)
Others asked me to do this on Faust in A1 Savage, but still not enough XD.
But if it's not needed... for a dungeon ?... no comment it's not needed, that's all.
I just say if you need to push dps, give it a try accordly with the healers, if healers can't heal, it's not a good option go vita again...
but don't stress heal pugs freely in casual content for your selfish dps.
But you are complaining for war wearing force accesories on DGN, when it's not needed at all that's right ?
Because War considering the force accesories before for raiding when we can afford to do it. T13 was the best exemple, because war was 80 purcent of the time a dps, and it was a good option to advoid enrage.
But i can understand the complain, Some tank use force accesories for almost everything, and don't care if the healer.
Btw i never get yeled by healer, so them don't hate me, i remember go dps on a DF dungeon, and some tank is pretty bad, i see one War mass pulling without pop CD and blaming the healer and then ragequit... The problem is you have good and gentle players and bad jerks XD.
Players is people and not your tool...

[Wizarus]

I'm not a progresson tank, and I have no interest in pushing my dps potential to the limit. I go out of my way to be appropriately geared and healer friendly, and thanks to my understanding of proper cooldown management, I can pull goups quickly and remain a brick while doing so. But let me emphasize that I've been staying alive while tanking for these pew-pew crazy healers thanks to my cooldowns and inner beast and it has not been fun being forced into such self reliance. I've cut back considerably on DF tanking, because it's getting to the point where I just don't trust strangers to have my back. Everyone's gone crazy for dps and trying to be a jack of all trades instead of being the best at their primary role, and I don't like it one bit.

I'm not standing around keeping tanks at 85% at all times because they don't want to use cooldowns. There is no reward for overhealing in this game, but Healer DPS makes the run go faster.

[Galgarion]

I'm not standing around keeping tanks at 85% at all times because they don't want to use cooldowns. There is no reward for overhealing in this game, but Healer DPS makes the run go faster.

My ill feelings are soley reserved for healers who take it too far and forget to, y'know, heal. And there's a lot of these clowns clogging up the DF.