Observations from a New Player

[QiLymePye]

I played ESO when it had a sub, and I quit playing it about a month later. That should explain just how much I personally liked that game.

I've always been an Elder Scrolls fan, but that game just couldn't captivate me. All the lore in the world, all the story, couldn't keep me in. I just didn't have fun playing it, and I'm not quite sure you can quantify that! You can see it looks better graphically, but it doesn't look better artistically nor aesthetically.

I can't argue how FFXIV is better than ESO, because frankly maybe it isn't, but I really couldn't care less.

I like this game. I have fun playing it, and I wouldn't go back to ESO even now that it's gone F2P. Not when I have a more appealing option.

First of all, Im not telling you to go back to ESO. its not a game for you. This was really in response to Odie. But let me elaborate. He said because ESO dropped sub, that it was doing poorly. I disagree. I think you can have a successful game/mmo without a sub and that in doing that, you show you can succeed. Now I don't know why you didn't like ESO, you didn't list the reasons. What I listed is a fair question. What do I get for a sub in FF that I don't get from not having a sub in ESO?

They both have a story, they both have updates and patches and such. I just want your opinion based on the fact that you have played both, what justifies FF having a sub moreso than ESO not having one?


Oh, and with a sub in ESO, which I just found out today, expansions are included.

[QiLymePye]

And Lucid, I was just talking to my friend about the fact that it seems that alot of people who like this game can't take criticism. You point out something wrong, they get up in arms. You dislike one feature about the game, they tell you to quit playing. I've been playing this game since 2.0. This attitude is getting worse and that attitude will force people to stop playing. If this forum represents a small portion of the game, and its this much negativity and arrogance and bad attitudes and such, its no wonder people are having the same issues throughout the game.

Just wanted to add, I like this game, I like SE, I want this game to be successful like i think everyone else does. I think they are being too cautious because of what happened with 1.0 and IMO it's hurting them.

[SecretCrowds]

No, frankly it's plain obvious that the OP is giving his input as a new player if you just stopped and read his posts, and the lot of you are just unfortunately acting like obnoxious assess. Something like this will uneventfully happen on almost any other forum but here. This community really needs to be able to handle some criticism, or you'll be your own undoing.
The OP isn't doing anything out of the ordinary, people just need to learn to argue/explain and discuss. Someone thinks something you like isn't good, don't throw a hissy fit like some creature that has just learned to type words. Explain your viewpoint, if it's a new player, even more reason. But no, the community here is out to attack him and brand him as a troll rather than accept that someone could possibly have negative views towards something in their loved game. You guys are so full of yourselves.

You missed my point. It's not that he thinks what I like isn't good. it's that he thinks that everything he doesn't like should be deleted. If you actually read the posts that disagreed with him, that is what they are talking about.

Yes, he gave his input. And his input was that since those things are useless to him, they should be deleted.

Who is the one full of themselves? The one that thinks that everything they don't like should be removed or the one that disagreed with him?

And I stick to my point in that post you quoted. If he had phrased his OP in a different way, the response would have been different.

[Cakekizy]

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How you expressed your opinion in first place has a lot to do with it. If you had said you didn't know value of these items and not said they should be removed, bet responses would have been much different.

[QiLymePye]

How you expressed your opinion in first place has a lot to do with it. If you had said you didn't know value of these items and not said they should be removed, bet responses would have been much different.

What?! #1, I didn't make thread. #2, Obviously, if i didn't think they were useful, then I didn't think they have value. #3 What is it with people in these Forums? I commented about a few post back that after hearing some of the people say they are useful endgame, that I was going to try it out. I ended on that note in regards to the usefulness of potions. How are you gonna come in here way after the fact and try to call me out on something that was over. Man...All in the Kool-Aid and don't even know the flavor....SMH

[Cakekizy]

What?! #1, I didn't make thread. #2, Obviously, if i didn't think they were useful, then I didn't think they have value. #3 What is it with people in these Forums? I commented about a few post back that after hearing some of the people say they are useful endgame, that I was going to try it out. I ended on that note in regards to the usefulness of potions. How are you gonna come in here way after the fact and try to call me out on something that was over. Man...All in the Kool-Aid and don't even know the flavor....SMH

Sorry, your pic looks similar to OP. Thought you were him.

[Odstarva]

I don't remember reading about anyone telling you to stop playing the game. I could be mistaken, but I certainly didn't mean that if that's the impression I gave you.

And this isn't an issue with the game community (regarding people and criticism). Try doing the kind of comments you did on any other popular game forum, the result is remarkably similar.
Besides, the same could be said about you from my perspective - claiming a game is worse / that the community is worst is hardly the way to bring people over to your side and get them to look at things the way you do.

You really shouldn't take it personally, I don't think anyone here is hating on you. More like hating on the ideas you're bringing to the table.

[Lemuria]

I do. Do you even endgame? If you do, but you don't use food and Potions to maximize your potential then your team may need to pick up the slack where you fall short. Try using them sometime. They are incredibly potent.

What? Are you insane? When have potions EVER been considered potent? At level 60 I can just about restore half a cure spell using the best ether in the damned game! That's less than useless. Even my base regen is higher than that at this point!

HP potions are even worse! With a HQ I might just about be able to recover 650 hp. That's like half a melee hit, if you're lucky. If you're ever in a situation where a potion is the only thing keeping you alive, it won't be for long. The next hit WILL finish the job.

Ahem...

Echo drops, spine drops etc... now all of those have genuine merit to them. Those curatives are the only ones I'll accept as being useful and relevant in endgame content. Potions and ethers are almost irrelevant even at level 50, but with the level cap now raised they've been pushed even farther into obscurity.

No, potions are kind of weak. I'll give him that one. Food, on the other hand, now that can make a considerable difference. Bonus critical, bonus speed, bonus everything. It can make a marked difference on your DPS, give you a decent amount of bonus HP and just generally increase your chances of success and survival. It's extremely useful. Even out of combat, there are crafting foods, gathering foods and so forth which are immeasurably valuable to those classes. Remove at your peril.

But... linkshells? Did he really say he wanted to remove those? Linkshells are great for keeping in touch with your friends. Not everyone is in the same Free Company, and you can equip multiple linkshells so you can be in a variety of different groups at the same time. I've set my LS's to have different colored texts so I can see if it's a hunt, or a casual chat. They're invaluable and the fact that he wants them removed means he has no idea what they are.

[Jasmine_Aurelia]

If improvements can't be made to things because of over taxing the servers, I think FFXIV should trim some of the fat from the game.
Things I think FFXIV can get rid of:
- Guildheists
- Potions It has been explained to me that potions and food are necessary in end game raiding.
- FoodIt has been explained to me that potions and food are necessary in end game raiding.
- Chocobo fighting
- Hunting/Sightseeing logs
- City to City Airships
- Treasure Chests
- Linkshells
- Irrelevant quest lines (Ultima's Bane, Relic Weapon, etc)

Observations from a near permanently subscribed player since 1.0 beta (breaks taken only based on extreme financial hardships.):

Perhaps FFXIV is not the MMO for you to play, perhaps you should find another.

[seida]

What? Are you insane? When have potions EVER been considered potent? At level 60 I can just about restore half a cure spell using the best ether in the damned game! That's less than useless. Even my base regen is higher than that at this point!

HP potions are even worse! With a HQ I might just about be able to recover 650 hp. That's like half a melee hit, if you're lucky. If you're ever in a situation where a potion is the only thing keeping you alive, it won't be for long. The next hit WILL finish the job.

You know there are pots that increase stats, as well as stuff like poison etc?