Speedrunning: Shoe's on the other foot

[Amelia_Pond_Behemoth]

I've been a longtime advocate that tanks shouldn't be forced to speedrun. And I still won't force a tank to speed run, but I will bitch on official forums when I feel a tank is going too slow.

Place: AK Normal
Participants: PLD, WHM, NIN, BLM(me)

We're all overgeared for this dungeon. We're all at i110 or close to it. Yet the PLD keeps pulling 3 mobs at a time. While not the slowest possible run since we were killing everything pretty easily, I felt my AOE's weren't being used to their full potential.

Healer was at least bearable DPSing between heals. No complaints about the NIN either. Healer got my comm though.

[wonka11]

I felt my AOE's weren't being used to their full potential.

No, just close. Just think, if he had pulled a fourth mob, you could have aoe'd all of at only 30% less damage reduction to the 4th.

[Tam_Hawkins]

Did you or any other of the Team ask him to Speed run? Or to pull more than 1 Group?

I normally go slow in dungeon simply because i don't like to sr very much, BUT if the people i run with say they want to do it i normally do it. It's just that most of the time no one says anything at all.

[lordoftheapes79]

AK is a particularly special case imo. Some of us have run it soooo many times its not even funny, some things like pulling sucubi is instinctual to me. As a bard I have been able to solo everything except the first and last boss for a very, very, very, very looooong time. And last week I found out that all I needed for the first and last boss was a healer.

[saber_alter]

AK is a particularly special case imo. Some of us have run it soooo many times its not even funny, some things like pulling sucubi is instinctual to me. As a bard I have been able to solo everything except the first and last boss for a very, very, very, very looooong time. And last week I found out that all I needed for the first and last boss was a healer.

a lot of things are trivial.

i found that all but the final two bosses are soloable for my DRK on qarn HM. would use it to farm for those drg myth boots i want for glamour but it still takes forever.

[praysolace]

Considering that AK normal is right at the beginning of the relic quest, I'll just point out that gear does not necessarily equate to experience—they could easily have bought the gear with another class and actually be a fresh 50. When I hit 50 on Paladin I was doing small pulls in AK normal, because it was my first level 50 dungeon and although I had great gear from my Warrior I was a bit of a mess—I legitimately forgot where I put Circle of Scorn, for instance, and didn't remember what it looked like, and wasn't used to the cooldown timing on it yet.

It's possible that a well-geared tank who isn't pulling much simply isn't very confident in his skills (or his new level 50 moves) yet, especially in AK normal.

Just food for thought.

[LionKing]

If you want to Speedrun, play tanking yourself, yo!!!!

[Amelia_Pond_Behemoth]

Considering that AK normal is right at the beginning of the relic quest, I'll just point out that gear does not necessarily equate to experience—they could easily have bought the gear with another class and actually be a fresh 50. When I hit 50 on Paladin I was doing small pulls in AK normal, because it was my first level 50 dungeon and although I had great gear from my Warrior I was a bit of a mess—I legitimately forgot where I put Circle of Scorn, for instance, and didn't remember what it looked like, and wasn't used to the cooldown timing on it yet.

It's possible that a well-geared tank who isn't pulling much simply isn't very confident in his skills (or his new level 50 moves) yet, especially in AK normal.

Just food for thought.

Possible, but we didn't get the notice that anyone was new.

[GeekMatt]

With a geared party, you legitimately don't have to heal the tank in AK anymore...

Tested.

[LionKing]

The tank could be not in his best conditions on the night, you know? Or he simply saw the party, gave a bit of look and decided to go slow. Or even he just wanted to go slow. Whatever the case, less bitching, more playing. And if you want to feel superior to others and either force or not force other players to SR, plays Tank !!!

How long would it take to clear AK normal mode slow run now? 10 mins???
How long would it take to clear AK speed run? 7 mins???
How often you go to AK? One or twice per day???

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