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  1. #21
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    Cakekizy's Avatar
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    Cakeny Soulreaver
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    Ultros
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    Paladin Lv 55
    Personally, I see nothing wrong with it and think it would be a waste of resources to try and stop.
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  2. #22
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    Yokem Tranquillitas
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    Shiva
    Main Class
    Paladin Lv 80
    You wanna know whats the real problem here? That it is so hard to level from 50 - 60. Not hard as in "I can't do this" but more as in "I don't want to waste my time for this". I'm working and luckily have a social life + other hobbys. I'm still working on my first 60 just because it takes the same amount of time to level from 50 - 60 as from 1 - 50. I don't find it the least enjoyable to run the same fucking dungeon for 10 time just to get a level up. In A Real Reborn leveling a class was a breese. I made constant progress and it "felt" like making constant progress. This was a very rare thing for mmos. Now its just "Ugh...just came out of Basilika and my progress bar has barely gone a step to the right at all".

    I'm not botting right now (maybe I should?) but I can understand why so many people do it. Leveling from 50 - 60 is just no fun. And please stop saying that I have to take it. It becomes fun when I'm max level. Blah blah blah...if a mayor aspect of a game isn't fun then something went seriously wrong. Then what do I play a game for if it isn't for the fun I get out of it?
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  3. #23
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    Odstarva's Avatar
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    Sophia Ladislava
    World
    Twintania
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    Dark Knight Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Kaedan View Post
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    And yet you did not read the quote you just made? Or do you not know what spirit bonding is? It does mess up the market. Say what you will, even if it didn't hurt the game economy (which it does) it's an unfair advantage.

    If you don't have time to level a second class then don't, if you do then do. If you don't and want to then the only option you have is to do it slowly. Such is life, tough luck, stop cutting lines and wait your turn.
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  4. #24
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    Celenir Istarkh
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    Atomos
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    Red Mage Lv 90
    The bots are not just botting fates, they are (and have been, since 2.0) botting quests as well. They bots can interact with NPCs, accept and report back on quests. All that gil from quests are dumped into the market.

    In essence botting artificially increases the money supply and mob loot supply in the market (bot efficiency per real Earth day is many times that of a real player), which causes inflation and destroys many markets.

    The often seen response to that is "hey you get to buy cheap shards and mats, wtf are you complaining about". That response shows complete ignorance of the fact that the game has gatherers and people who farm mob loot to sell. It artificially destroys many of the markets and funnels people into making money via other limited forms of activities.

    Botting creates a skewed economy, chases real players away from certain activities in the game. Botting hurts the game as a whole.

    The strangest thing is that teleport botting had been a thing since a decade ago and FFXIV is unable to block that. I really don't understand that. But I guess it's just too expensive in terms of processing power. It's cheaper to let part of the player population become irritated, but those who do are loyal customers mostly so it doesn't hurt the bottom line. I guess that's what's going through SE's minds.
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    Last edited by Zfz; 07-15-2015 at 03:26 AM.
    “There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self.”
    ― Ernest Hemingway

  5. #25
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    Mwynn's Avatar
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    Dio'orsa Pulse
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    Odin
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    Astrologian Lv 70
    Once they get into Dungeons and try to Teleport through it (Avoiding Dungeon Mechanics) just for massive Tome Farming, they get banned anyway.
    SE is watching Dungeons from time to time, hence even in Coils Bots were banned due of Teleport Invincible Methods.

    Movement is done Client-Sided, that's why it's possible for them to position themselves in the Air. If it would have been Server-Sided, we would rubberband if there is Lag and Bot's would go back to their original Position when they try to Teleport around.

    It's a proven Fact that Bots cause huge Inflation Waves in any MMORPG. Silkroad went downhill because of it, WoW had the same Problem as well and People go so far, they Bot 24/7 (24 Hours / 7 Days a Week)
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    Last edited by Mwynn; 07-15-2015 at 04:22 AM.

  6. #26
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    Tuathaa's Avatar
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    Yaelle Portelaine
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    Famfrit
    Main Class
    Lancer Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Musashidon View Post
    they are going to make it easier to bot in the new area's does that help?
    Takes to long to do fates in the new areas.
    Good thing rank a hunts spawn in a random location or no one would ever get to kill one as fast as those die.
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  7. #27
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    Tyla_Esmeraude's Avatar
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    Tyla Esmeraude
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    Excalibur
    Main Class
    Red Mage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Rufalus View Post
    It's not justifiable. It's an unfair advantage. People are not meant to gain levels, gil, items, company seals without playing the game.
    I know an MMO that had a unique trait of letting your characters (MCC system, you control 3 characters at the same time) stay at one spot killing mobs while you could go afk and sleep. You could also buy a gathering pet that would pick up all the items dropped as long as you had pet food in your inventory for it to be active. lol While that was the intended playstyle in that game, here it would be considered pretty unfair. That game is so broken... but super fun in end game XD.
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  8. #28
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    Rena Ryuugu
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    Coeurl
    Main Class
    Thaumaturge Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Tyla_Esmeraude View Post
    I know an MMO that had a unique trait of letting your characters (MCC system, you control 3 characters at the same time) stay at one spot killing mobs while you could go afk and sleep. You could also buy a gathering pet that would pick up all the items dropped as long as you had pet food in your inventory for it to be active. lol While that was the intended playstyle in that game, here it would be considered pretty unfair. That game is so broken... but super fun in end game XD.
    Sword of the new world, I think it was. Had like a colonial period feel to it, was interesting and the idea of 3 people was unique to me but sadly after a few hours it bored me.
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  9. #29
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    melisande's Avatar
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    Character
    Meli San
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    Excalibur
    Main Class
    Carpenter Lv 50
    The FATE botting is a direct result of them making open world PVE EXP Chain grinding obsolete, and replacing it with FATEs. The end.
    They need to add open world PVE EXP Chain grinding areas, equal to the amount of EXP you would get out of FATEs or Dungeons.
    It's really their own fault for cramming FATEs down everyones throats and getting rid of open world PVE EXP groups.
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    Last edited by melisande; 07-15-2015 at 05:49 AM.

  10. #30
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    Deathmask's Avatar
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    Alucardrx Tepes
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    Sargatanas
    Main Class
    Lancer Lv 46
    It was funny to see 4 THM characters with dgkddbd sfsffdsf names on Horizon today. Its the new generation of botters in their childhood. Isn't that adorable?
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