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  1. #61
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    Seraphus Highwynn
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    At least remove the randomness. Make wheeling thrust proc from chaos thrust 100% and make fang and claw proc from full thrust 100%. That way we can plan out our positionals and it's not random. The randomness is dumb.


    At lv56, fang and claw procs 100% of the time from FT and CT then when you hit 58, bam now drg has an element of randomness for NO reason. Literally learning wheeling thrust adds nothing to drg's gameplay because prior to learning it, both CT and FT 100% always proc'd fang and claw. Literally all wheeling thrust does is complicate things.

    If you could skip WT and just learn geriskogul at 60, it would be AMAZING, but since wt and fc have the same potency, but are random proc once you learn them both, it makes it needlesly complicated. Again for those that dont play drg, at 56, when you learn F&C, both full thrust and chaos thrust will always proc fang and claw. When you learn wheeling thrust at 58? Full thrust randomly procs either WT or FC and, Chaos Thrust randomly procs WT or FC. Nothing is "added" to the job by learning wheeling thrust except added difficulty. Literally nothing is gained, in fact you lose by learning it. If Wheeling had a special effect or different potency or something, fine. But the same damage/effect but random proc is just ability bloat.
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    Last edited by Jonnycbad; 07-11-2015 at 04:54 AM.

  2. #62
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    Thyn'a Sindyrl
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    As a DRG that has been playing and LOVING DRG since even before our buffs, the positionals are no problem for me. Yes it can be though, but its nothing compared to HAVING to hit Heavy thrust from the side or loose our 15% DMG buff.

    I like the rng it is refreshing and keeps us on our toes. It takes a moment to see which attack got its proc and to switch to it, its really not that big of a deal.

    Quote Originally Posted by caponesavage View Post
    I actuially kinda miss all the positionals which gave DRG a little more challenge then just standing behind enemies poking them in the butt.
    Thiiiis.

    I don't consider myself to be a great player by any means BUT I loooove my job and I loved the challenges of it.
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    Last edited by Anarnee; 07-11-2015 at 04:54 AM.

  3. #63
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    Geesus Ravenheart
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    Quote Originally Posted by Remus View Post
    No...DRG pretty much couldn't do DPS with DF Tanks because enemies kept moving around and couldn't execute our skills im happy that is gone.
    If you suck! Yeah, I'll admit, it's a PITA sometimes but ya know what, too bad. And your main is DRG! If you can't hack the job, go find an easymode job and play that. Some of us, actually like to have a challenge in game. If I wanted things handed to me, I'd go beg on the streets. But because you can't adapt don't take your lack of skill and ask SE to change the game for you. As Yoshi implied, practice. Get good.
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  4. #64
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    I don't think the problem is positional requirements themselves, but the fact that DRG has the same skill twice, with the only difference being the randomly selected positional requirement. I don't even play DRG, and I was disappointed when I found out about their new skills.
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  5. #65
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonnycbad View Post
    At least remove the randomness. Make wheeling thrust proc from chaos thrust 100% and make fang and claw proc from full thrust 100%. That way we can plan out our positionals and it's not random. The randomness is dumb.
    At lv56, fang and claw procs 100% of the time from FT and CT then when you hit 58, bam now drg has an element of randomness for NO reason.
    Actually, if you take yourself out of your box of entitlement and think, since most DRG rotations go from side to rear and back again, did you ever stop and wonder that, when you finish your rear combo and Claw and Fang procs instead of Wheeling, to just GO TO THE SIDE, use F&C and then go right into HEAVY THRUST!?!?!

    FFS PEOPLE! THINK! Stop crying and use the the brains you were given! JFC. Bunch of whiners!
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  6. #66
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    Quote Originally Posted by Geesus View Post
    Actually, if you take yourself out of your box of entitlement and think, since most DRG rotations go from side to rear and back again, did you ever stop and wonder that, when you finish your rear combo and Claw and Fang procs instead of Wheeling, to just GO TO THE SIDE, use F&C and then go right into HEAVY THRUST!?!?!

    FFS PEOPLE! THINK! Stop crying and use the the brains you were given! JFC. Bunch of whiners!
    I like your signature. I'd applaud Yoshi if he actually came out and said that. Feelings would be hurt, but it needs to be said by someone people will listen to!
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  7. #67
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    Wheing thrust is a waste of an ability. If we could skip learning it and just get geirskogul it would be absolutely amazing. Replacd it with a different ability. Learning it doesnt ADD it SUBTRACTS. Is wheeling thrust a penalty hurdle towards learning geirskogul or something?
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  8. #68
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    I never said the positionals are hard. I said that after learning fang & claw, wheeling thrust is not "wooo cool a new ability" its more like "oh crap now i have another element to worry about, with no benefit to make up for it"

    Do you understand that wheeling thrust not only offers 0% benefit to our job, it actually makes our job more technical - again, at no added benefit?


    Wheeling Thrust is not a new ability, please think of it as soon as you hit 58, FC gets its 100% flank proc nerfed to a 50% flank/ 50% rear positional. Its a different animation but its the same abolity except your reward for hitting 58 is now the positional is nerfed to be random. There. Is. No. Added. Benefit.

    They might as well turn wheeling thrust into a negative trait learned at 58 that randomizes the positional for fang&claw cuz thats what it is, a nerf to the lv56 ability but with a diff animation
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    Last edited by Jonnycbad; 07-11-2015 at 05:16 AM.

  9. #69
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    Arlizz Teirez
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    If you're not do Heavy Thrust from flank,you should not call yourself a dragoon.
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  10. #70
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    Nobody is saying positionals are hard. It's just you go 2 levels with both CT and FT both procing a 290 potencyflank ability to now CT and FT randonly procing a flank OR rear ability. But there's no trade off there, it's just you level up to 58 and learn a new ability that not only doesn't give you any added damage at all, it just makes things harder. Just give both FC and WT at 56, and give us a new ability at 58, because giving us the same ability 2 levels apart is a lazy waste.
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