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    Player
    Knoahl's Avatar
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    Teah Bloodwrath
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    Ragnarok
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    Arcanist Lv 71
    I really enjoyed levelling my Astrologian, and I'm so glad I have it geared, these changes hopefully will improve it's viability, I can't wait to try them. If it doesn't quite fit in with my static in Savage Alex, then I guess there is always my WHM I have ready as back up. I like the various viewpoints speculating is bringing about regarding the changes, I guess we will all see ^^ My favourite card has to be Spear, I think I've sussed how to use it now, it's really strong
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    Player Nadirah's Avatar
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    Nadirah Serenity
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    Excalibur
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    Paladin Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Leiloni View Post
    I don't think the comment was in regards to us stance dancing. I think they were trying to emphasize that the changes to CU and CO will be in the style of the Astrologian class, so they will have buffs that differ between our two stances instead of just giving them flat stat increases like the other two healers. So we will get improvements to those two skills, but it'll be in the theme of the AST class and not simply trying to copy SCH/WHM. But we will not be stance dancing.
    This is also what I got from it.
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    Eraqus Yensid
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    Balmung
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    Astrologian Lv 60
    Anyway I'm not sure about the stance dancing...
    Because ok let's suppose that you cast your aspected benefic with diurnal, then u switch to noct and then repeat again... It's just having shields with reegens.. Hmm. I don't think it will b just this.
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    Galdous Tansarville
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    Bard Lv 60
    Mana should be a precious commodity. Honestly if healers have enough mana to dps without a hitch in content they do not overgear then mana costs should be tweaked higher.
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    Ghishlain Pyrial
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    Mateus
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    Quote Originally Posted by Galdous View Post
    Mana should be a precious commodity. Honestly if healers have enough mana to dps without a hitch in content they do not overgear then mana costs should be tweaked higher.
    Please, let's not start this rhetoric again.
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    Eraqus Yensid
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    Balmung
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    Astrologian Lv 60
    I'm The only 1 who thinks that dps healer it's just an OPTIONAL? It's not our role to dps.. It's ok sometimes we MUST dps but it should not be like 'a good healer is a dps healer'
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    Sacrilege Moonshadow
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    Hyperion
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    Black Mage Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Eraqus View Post
    I'm The only 1 who thinks that dps healer it's just an OPTIONAL? It's not our role to dps.. It's ok sometimes we MUST dps but it should not be like 'a good healer is a dps healer'
    We've been through this many times now on these forums.

    If you think that roles are strict guidelines for which actions you should use while playing, then you might subscribe to the "not in my job description" view on healers bringing support DPS.

    If you accept that it is the role of the entire party to do what they can to succeed, you'll probably consider healer DPS to be a given whenever it can be safely and effectively provided.
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    Eraqus Yensid
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    Balmung
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cynfael View Post
    We've been through this many times now on these forums.

    If you think that roles are strict guidelines for which actions you should use while playing, then you might subscribe to the "not in my job description" view on healers bringing support DPS.

    If you accept that it is the role of the entire party to do what they can to succeed, you'll probably consider healer DPS to be a given whenever it can be safely and effectively provided.
    As I said I know that sometimes we MUST turn to dps to help the party but what I hate it's e thing that, I repeat, a good healer it's a dps healer.

    For the rest I'm with u but it seems that u didn't get the exact point of my opinion :-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eraqus View Post
    As I said I know that sometimes we MUST turn to dps to help the party but what I hate it's e thing that, I repeat, a good healer it's a dps healer.

    For the rest I'm with u but it seems that u didn't get the exact point of my opinion :-)
    It was my nice and non-argumentative way to suggest that a good healer knows how and when to DPS. It's extremely difficult to make the case for "good" healers not knowing how to use their full kit.

    A healer can do their job adequately without touching DPS skills in most cases, but no one would ever say that such a healer was better than average.
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    Peach Parfait
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    Gilgamesh
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    Weaver Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Eraqus View Post
    As I said I know that sometimes we MUST turn to dps to help the party but what I hate it's e thing that, I repeat, a good healer it's a dps healer.

    For the rest I'm with u but it seems that u didn't get the exact point of my opinion :-)
    I believe they said they didn't tune the coil fights with the idea that healers could pepper in additional DPS because it was pushing phases faster than they had accounted for and making the fights easier than intended. The Savage Alex fights have been created with the idea that healers can pump out significant DPS if allowed to, which may mean that as a healer you are expected to contribute DPS.

    Honestly healing isn't incredibly hard to do well on compared to a DPS with a long repetitive rotation/priority system. You mostly just spam 1 key, your mana-efficient key, except sometimes you spam 2 (Cure II/Lustrate/Benefic II) when the tank takes more damage than the 1 key can heal, and otherwise you just AoE heal to keep the party alive every once in a while. It's why a lot of people find WHM so boring, you know? You don't have to DPS if you want to, but you will have to accept that you're not reaching your full potential if you sit around with your thumb up your butt and not doing anything when you don't have to be healing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Emonik View Post
    Why has no one mentioned that Collective Unconscious already changes with Sect? Did Yoshi misspeak or is this a Translation error? I think he meant Time Dilation.
    I believe he was talking about giving it more of an effect that is unique to AST rather than a WHM regen copy or a Sacred Soil copy.
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    Peach Parfait/Khulan Angura on Gilgamesh

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