I Think I finally know what it is

[Zfz]

This is not just happening in games, but everywhere. The new generations break customs and traditions because it is their generation. All things fade except in the practices with high barriers of entry.

And the cost of developing modern games, specifically the visual elements, are acting as a reverse barrier of entry for the older generation of game makers.

It's just what time does to everything.

One day, when CG technology is advanced enough that any indie developer can create life-like top-tier quality visuals in their garage with consumer grade hardware, is the time when games will start to have variety again, and we shall see a return of many of the classical gaming concepts.

[BlaiseArath]

I don't think it's a bad thing to want other people to have fun. But seriously, get off your high horse. There's nothing about him, or you, or me, that makes ANY of us more of a "True Gamer" than anyone else. Let people play the game how -they- want to, so long as it does not encroach on -your- fun.

Seems to me more like you're the one looking down on folk. Your first post is essentially sh*tting on the OP and calling him cynical. Also I said exactly what you said here:

Its okay they like different things, just like we like different things. They're not bad people for enjoying things we don't like, in fact its okay because fun is subjective...

I thought about saying more but you're saying pretty much everything I said and agreed with.

sadly it's obviously skewed to one crowd.

There's not an high-end MMO on the market I can that appeals to the want for fair challenge, exploration, non-linear dungeons/raids since XI and Everquest... but I know why, it don't sell well... its pretty sad.

[Eidolon]

Seems like you're the only one looking down on others, but... I digress... Still, I think you missed something,



I thought about saying more but you're saying pretty much everything I said and agreed with, but with an added dash of salt.

I just dislike people who try to put themselves up on a pedastole like the OP did. He's basically saying "I'm the only TRUE gamer here, everyone else who doesn't follow MY style of play is a fake gamer!"

That's honestly what I really dislike. You can't say that "You can like what you want" then try to turn around and say "But if you like what I don't like then you're not a TRUE gamer." THAT is why I dislike the OP. Trying to define a true gamer to HIS standards, is absolutely disgusting.

This is so subjective that it's almost pointless to even bring up. How people enjoy the game totally effects how I enjoy the game and how the game will develope towards systems that I enjoy rather than ones I abhore.

You can't just pull a "It don't effect you" card without actually realizing that's one of the most flawed arguments to exist.

While the current generation of gamers may have differing values than I do in design it doesn't mean there isn't room for both in the game, sadly it's obviously skewed to one crowd.

hmn... I can see and understand your point: You wish to preserve your fun, and you don't want it to develop in a way that might be contradictory to your fun, even if the "New generation" or the "Majority" find the way you abhor to be fun.

I think that's fine. I think SE providing content for both, is likewise, fine. I have no issue with anyhting like that, and honestly, there's no good way to counter your statement - because as you yourself said, it is overly subjective.

But my point is stressed that, do not look down on those who love the way you 'abhor' as being any less a gamer than you. I earnestly hope you can continue to enjoy the game, regardless of which route it goes. That is the greatest hope I can have for you, and nothing will take that away. As always, I will do my best to accomodate people in my party for their playstyle where I can, and if we should clash - there will likely be a leave or boot involved, and that's how things likewise go.

But I'm not going to tell someone they're not a gamer because they don't play the way I do.

[SendohJin]

it's the subscription money from "False" Gamers that allows this game to exist in it's current state. if only true gamers are left and you still want patches every 3 months of this quality your subscription cost will increase from $15 a month to $300 a month.

[BlaiseArath]

I just dislike people who try to put themselves up on a pedastole like the OP did. He's basically saying "I'm the only TRUE gamer here, everyone else who doesn't follow MY style of play is a fake gamer!"

That's honestly what I really dislike. You can't say that "You can like what you want" then try to turn around and say "But if you like what I don't like then you're not a TRUE gamer." THAT is why I dislike the OP. Trying to define a true gamer to HIS standards, is absolutely disgusting.

The phrase "True gamer" did make me cringe. I guess he should probably say "What happened to Video games?". Since its about both games and new generation of players. If theres one thing that is true, games have changed a lot since the early days. Mostly it was because in the early days the only way to make a game last was unfair high challenge... now adays they don't really need to do that. Its true to be said though that gamers today have changed. I wouldn't say its a matter of "true" or not but more a generational difference.

Still now games don't need unfair challenge to inflate game time, to make it worth the money... didn't mean challenge had to die with it, but it kinda did. Even games that offer truly challenging modes aren't really that challenging. (Though, I'd be lying if I said Fire Emblem on Chaos wasn't crazy)

Also GD THIS STUPID 1k Character limit. if it can be bypassed by just EDITING why is it even there.

[Zabuza]

WoW happened.

http://www.wolfsheadonline.com/the-d...d-of-warcraft/

This blog explains everything in painstaking detail. It is a long read but I PROMISE you it is worth it.

The environment in the newest generation has shifted from actually having to work for what you want to an instant gratification mindset. The age of mobile phone games, facebook, Call of Duty, and WoW brought this about. As was stated here before, difficult things are work. High difficulty might impede that instant gratification, and we can't have that. The journey no longer matters. Rushing to the end is it. Must rush, go go go go now! WoW is partly to blame, but the other half of the blame rests on the way children are now brought up. Spoiled, coddled, plopped in front of a TV or computer screen, barraged with programs and games of mindless garbage instead of something that requires the slightest bit of thought. Man I feel old, and I'm not even over 30. Anyways, the devs realized what sells and they have catered to it.

WoW became like the parent that spoiled their child rotten. As a result he's dead inside. He feels nothing for the journey, but only for his new shinies, and then when he stands alone, in a world bereft of adventure, he wonders to himself where the adventure went. Where's the fun? Well, he never had fun in the first place. He was only rushing like a bullet towards the endgoal, and why? For recognition on the internet of his leetness? To prove something to himself? Yet in a world where rewards are rained down upon us, where everyone wins and we're not allowed to tell anyone they made a mistake or failed at something, what meaning do these rewards even have?

As a result, this mindset spread through the MMOs like a plague, bleeding over to most of the MMO devs and players, even in other MMOs.

[KisaiTenshi]

After careful consideration, A heavy dose of Mathematics, Scientific Method, and a dose of life experience I have finally figured out what is wrong with FFXIV.


Nothing. It is my peers.

Since when did Gamers become so entitled?

Since forever. They only became more galvanized jerks in the last two years when the entitled "gamergate" monster made them pick sides like it was a presidential election or something.

Ever since then, now gamers seek to destroy each other by trying to brand the other as a supporter of some cause that wants to destroy video games (did we learn nothing from Jack Thompson in 1997?)

Everyone wants to throw their enemies off the cliff, then when they peer over it to see the splat, they fall in too.

[ckc22]

What is this true gamer nonsense?

Seriously.

OP is so ridiculous and saccharine about some non-existent concept (literally everything you state is as long as the history of games and mmos especially).

[nuyu11]

I like pokemon, Candy Crush SAGA and Board Game especially the Witcher.
I think I'm not a true gamers because I didn't see MMORPG as a core game for me.

[NefarioCall]

No open world deep caverns and palaces and stuff with labyrinths and switches and keys and stuff is still an issue.