We should have a "Lance mage", "Ninja Sword mage", "Fist mage"

[Kabooa]

Man, you guys would have hated old school Warcraft hunters.

[Zophar]

Then leave this discussion. If the play style (which is what a lot of this is about) doesn't matter to you, then stop trying to force the rest of us to adapt to your indifference.

I will not. My opinion on the matter is as valid as yours, no matter how much you dislike it. You want a one sided argument, go argue at a wall.

[hallena]

Fire III was not part of your regular rotation outside of using it in umbral III and firestarter. Straight shot for bard is. If I get a straighter shot proc in the middle of my straight shot, I get none of the benefits

Right, but fire I was part of BLM's rotation. Which is what proc firestarter. If you proc'd 2 firestarter in a row, one would go to waste

[Nestama]

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Firestarter has a chance to proc (a free, so slightly different) Fire III after a Fire cast (guaranteed proc if I use Sharpcast). It's a part of my rotation much like how Straight Shot is to you (which you only use to either refresh the buff or when it procs, much like Firestarter). There's also a chance of it double proc'ing like Straight Shot does, so one free Fire III goes to waste, as cancelling a cast = DPS loss.
Thundercloud, while true it didn't proc as much as Bloodletter (unless you applied Thunder to all mobs. 10% chance on, say, 4 mobs = 40%. Rather than 20% when Thundercloud had a 5% chance), it still had a chance at procing at times when you couldn't use it or just as a mob dies, leaving you with a super magic bomb that you can not use... whereas Bloodletter would always be ready to use next time you engaged the enemy.

[RiceisNice]

I meant that in the sense you'd cast fire III and firestarter occurs in the middle of your fire III cast. That technically should never happen because you don't ever hard cast it unless you're in umbral or beginning rotation. We hard cast ss to refresh our buff. If the proc happens there were losing both damage and tp.

[Hontaro]

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Yes, but we might also get a Firestarter proc at the last Fire, while we cast B3 to get into Umbral Ice 3. Then the Fire3 proc would go from 432 Potency to 168 Potency (336 if you Transpose into AF1)