We should have a "Lance mage", "Ninja Sword mage", "Fist mage"

[Tila]

hypocrisy
the behavior of people who do things that they tell other people not to do

You tell us not to make a judgment on it without giving it a fair go, while making your judgment on it without giving it a fair go.

I've used it incorrectly? Do explain.

By that definition, I would be a hypocrite if I was using BRD poorly while telling people not to play as I do.

I am not doing something and then telling people not to do it.

[XionAvalonArcadia]

Okay, this back and forth arguing is getting out of hand. Now as someone who HAS gotten BRD AND MCH to 60 and who HAS played brd since 2.0 I do say the changes are nice and the instacast WM/GB were needed since they already have a lot of clunkiness to their current kits. Now as for dmg wise, I feel BRD is currently where it needs to be. I think they COULD get more love in the quality of life department, and that goes for MCH as well since they currently have a lot of bugs with rapidfire still forcing cast times after the skill was used and same with removing GB. I believe Haxetc explained that in his latest video. Now how it is now I think while in WM the whole bloodletter mechanic should be reworked since its original design was implemented for 2.0 brd and not 3.0 brd. As for their 3.0 abilities I feel wardens could use a bit of rework since its really ONLY used for Warriors currently. It just feels like after 3.0 not only did they change the play style but you also gave us an ability that is WAY too situational. Then again MCH has a lot of sutational skills on their kit too that could be reworked. I don't HATE the classes as they are now I just feel they could be cleaned up a bit. Their dmg isn't as high as other DPS but I think thats more based on current gearing choices vs play style. In the end of 2.0 you could have like a 45% crit rating. That was fun but now its like 15-25%. Secondary stats have been retweaked and this is to be expected. The thing the classes need the most right NOW are only tweaks to quality of life. They don't feel as fluid and have got bugs or do we need to remember the 10 seconds of unable to do anything bug XD.

[Tila]

Okay, this back and forth arguing is getting out of hand. Now as someone who HAS gotten BRD AND MCH to 60 and who HAS played brd since 2.0 I do say the changes are nice and the instacast WM/GB were needed since they already have a lot of clunkiness to their current kits. Now as for dmg wise, I feel BRD is currently where it needs to be. I think they COULD get more love in the quality of life department, and that goes for MCH as well since they currently have a lot of bugs with rapidfire still forcing cast times after the skill was used and same with removing GB. I believe Haxetc explained that in his latest video. Now how it is now I think while in WM the whole bloodletter mechanic should be reworked since its original design was implemented for 2.0 brd and not 3.0 brd. As for their 3.0 abilities I feel wardens could use a bit of rework since its really ONLY used for Warriors currently. It just feels like after 3.0 not only did they change the play style but you also gave us an ability that is WAY too situational. Then again MCH has a lot of sutational skills on their kit too that could be reworked. I don't HATE the classes as they are now I just feel they could be cleaned up a bit. Their dmg isn't as high as other DPS but I think thats more based on current gearing choices vs play style. In the end of 2.0 you could have like a 45% crit rating. That was fun but now its like 15-25%. Secondary stats have been retweaked and this is to be expected. The thing the classes need the most right NOW are only tweaks to quality of life. They don't feel as fluid and have got bugs or do we need to remember the 10 seconds of unable to do anything bug XD.

Yeah, I think everyone can agree that they need a little looking at. A lot of classes do, and will, get the aid they need. We know the devs are even looking at BRD specifically atm.

But, as of now, while BRD can use some polishing. It's a perfectly viable, and working, class.

[Aiselia]

I am not doing something and then telling people not to do it.

I've already explained what you're doing that you're telling us we shouldn't do. I won't repeat myself again.

Until you actually play a Bard to know how the skills work, your opinion on the matter has no value. Especially against people who have.

No amount of pointing at other people and saying "See, they're fine with it" makes you have a valid opinion.

Do you legitimately wonder why nobody actually cares what you have to say on the matter?

What you're doing isn't really any different from going up to someone who's tried a bite of spinach, hated the taste, and telling them that they should love the taste because the guy sitting two tables over eats it. While having never eaten spinach before yourself.

[AiiroOkami]

Then don't go into them. Problem solved.

We're not forcing you in here.

To put it your way, "Switch to another thread or quit the forum".

The thing you don't understand is that most of the BRDs are pointing out some issues of the class, this is fine.
But they ACTUALLY play the class correctly and tried their best to not report those "bugs" you're talking about without even trying to get past this and find a way.

Your only argument so far is : "You don't have the job to 60, you can't talk".
Of course I can, I have my Bard to level 53, so I have WM. There is nothing wrong with the job, the timings are a bit tight, but you get used to it.

Don't blame SE for your incompetence, Bard is fine, you are not, end of the argument.

[Aiselia]

Don't blame SE for your incompetence, Bard is fine, you are not, end of the argument.

Since you seem to know what I've said regarding the issue of Bards, please summarize my position.

It should be easy, since you jump to attacking me and my competence so quickly.

Please tell me what I have said regarding them that marks me as incompetent.

The thing you don't understand is that not everybody has said the same thing about Bards. But please keep whining about the threads being here, which only serves to keep them on the front page and in maximum visibility, not to mention draws out more arguments that will keep them here longer.

Also, if you think my only argument is "You don't have the job to 60, you can't talk", you clearly have only just jumped into these threads recently, so you're whining about something that clearly hasn't affected you for a long time.

[AiiroOkami]

Whiny person

I did read everything you said, and I didn't find a viable complain, everything you said is not an issue, it's the Bard new playstyle.
Either you like it or not, SE designed it like that and won't probably go back.

I know a lot of good Bards and the only complain they had is the auto-attacks > WM when HW was released, but they fixed it and those Bards are totally fine with the changes and can play their job perfectly.
Ones who didn't like the new playstyle just switched to another classes and moved on, they don't complain about it, they just don't like it anymore and THAT is totally understable.

All your complains are not "bugs" nor "issues" only the Bard new gameplay, some people like it, some don't and if they don't like it that's totally fine, there are a lot of other classes.

And I'm not the only one saying it, but apparently you can't get it.

[Velhart]

We had lance mages and fist mages in early 1.xx, didn't work too well.

[Tila]

I did read everything you said, and I didn't find a viable complain, everything you said is not an issue, it's the Bard new playstyle.
Either you like it or not, SE designed it like that and won't probably go back.

I know a lot of good Bards and the only complain they had is the auto-attacks > WM when HW was released, but they fixed it and those Bards are totally fine with the changes and can play their job perfectly.
Ones who didn't like the new playstyle just switched to another classes and moved on, they don't complain about it, they just don't like it anymore and THAT is totally understable.

All your complains are not "bugs" nor "issues" only the Bard new gameplay, some people like it, some don't and if they don't like it that's totally fine, there are a lot of other classes.

And I'm not the only one saying it, but apparently you can't get it.

I dont think they realize that brd dps is fine, and that the rotation is fine. When those two things are true then its user error, so they wont admit they cant play the class like those people who have no issue with it and do fine.

[Aiselia]

I did read everything you said

Then summarize it.

It shouldn't be that hard if you read everything. There's a few things that stick out in common, actually.

"I read it and you're wrong" isn't a summary.

And you can skip the personal attacks. I honestly don't care if you think I'm whining because I don't believe you've even read even a single one of my actual complaints about the new Bard style, much less all of them. And I don't care if you think I'm incompetent because you've never played with me, so I know what I'm capable of a lot better than you. So if you can kind of stay relevant to the actual subject, that'd be nice.

I dont think they realize that brd dps is fine, and that the rotation is fine.

I don't think you realize that I'm not talking about Bard DPS, and I don't think you realize that the more you mention a rotation in respect to Bards, the less it looks like you know anything about Bards.

Bards aren't built around rotations. They're built around reactions.