We should have a "Lance mage", "Ninja Sword mage", "Fist mage"

[Wintersandman]

People are complaining about cast bars but is it really a cast or more just a wind up? Is it so unrealistic that an Archer/Bard/Bowman don't wind up their shots for more damage? Having shot a bow it's not just pull and throw. If you did it is obviously weaker. So it completely makes sense to not be able to move while you shoot more powerful shots.

How much movement do you have to do as a bard? Not saying it doesn't reduce the run and gun style but it's also would make sense why you do reduced damage.

1.5 second wind up timer is not that long seeing how some of your abilities will be on the gcd. Not saying all just some. GCD is 2.5 seconds so you can still easily weave in an ogcd ability within 3 seconds which actually occurs when not having WM up due to animation lock and latency.

[spelley]

If you're in a movement heavy phase, I can almost guarantee dropping WM is a DPS gain during that phase.

I might just be a stupid Dragoon main who doesn't understand The Plight of the Bard but I'm guessing a Bard outside of WM is probably capable of doing higher DPS than BLM in Nevereap final boss (and any new content that has similar movement requirements), though I'd need to see actual parses obviously to confirm that fact.

[Tilgung]

I might just be a stupid Dragoon main who doesn't understand The Plight of the Bard but I'm guessing a Bard outside of WM is probably capable of doing higher DPS than BLM in Nevereap final boss (and any new content that has similar movement requirements), though I'd need to see actual parses obviously to confirm that fact.

It's almost like you can mechanically understand a job without having played it. That would be crazy though.

[Viar]

Personally, I'll never do Neverreap in minuet full-time unless drunk, and I never drink.

[Aiselia]

unrealistic

Oh, are we bringing realism into the game now?

Okay, fine. All melee should quit now because knives, fists, and spears aren't going to do a heck of a lot to a tank. Monks especially need not apply to anything that has Magitek colossi.

Tanks should also quit now because realistically, a suit of armour which is thin enough to allow you to move isn't going to help against explosions and dragons. Lalafell can no longer be tanks, too, because getting swiped at by a dragon would toss them across the room.

Speaking of armour, mages now all get a chance to trip over their robes, increased if interrupting a cast because they were distracted, and tanks move slower than everyone else because their armour is heavier.

Also, all enemies that fly and have projectiles are now unattackable by melee because realistically they'd just fly out of range and shoot at you.

And healers now do 10x the enmity of every other class.

Edit: Also, Monks can no longer move during any kick-based attack, because that's silly.

Double Edit: Also, why the heck does a spell called "Bio" work on machines and golems? Let's drop that too. Also ninja poisons don't work on anything that doesn't have a bloodstream.

[RiceisNice]

1.5 second wind up timer is not that long seeing how some of your abilities will be on the gcd. Not saying all just some. GCD is 2.5 seconds so you can still easily weave in an ogcd ability within 3 seconds which actually occurs when not having WM up due to animation lock and latency.

A 1.5 cast timer in a 2.5 GCD only allows for less than a second to use oGCDs. For a class that has an oGCD that can reset it's cooldown, alongside four other oGCDs and four buffs which is a dps loss for every second it's not used (especially so in bloodletter's case). It'd change with skill speed, but all that'll do is lower the amount of time you have to use an oGCD skill and make the window for straighter shot proc tighter than it already is, because it doesn't speed up the attack animation, only lowering the cast time and GCD

The idea "you can move more/have better uptime" is getting more irrelevant as content comes out, because people who play melee (and even blackmages to some extent) get more familiar with fights where they can reduce their downtime to negligible amounts, if at all, such as earthshakers in T13 or nerve gas AoEs. On top of that, monks have gotten tools to maintain uptime and their dps even in cases of downtime through meditation, whereas bards/machinists do not (formerly machinists could by casting GB during the downtime).

[Korashy]

Instead of saying "you don't get it man", You could list out the issues and maybe people will actually accept and support your point, but if you aren't laying out an objective argument you are just whining at this point.

[OPneedNerfs]

ITT: Bards and people who have never played bards.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

Played Bard, STILL play Bard, and while aware of the imperfections of Minuet, still largely disagree that it's such an unusable tool that breaks the job and completely kills the fun.

/dropmic

[Anonydort]

I honestly wouldn't mind a melee dps with cast times, it sounds fun even