Exactly how obvious do RMT need to be SE?

[Kaedan94]

1) They don't ban RMT the second they start saying stuff. It's amazing you people don't notice that they ban RMT in huge chunks every week or two. Instant gratification generation I suppose.

2) You have an ignore feature. Use it. Until if an RMT account is paid for and is legal (not a stolen account), and that account has not actually participated in RMT, there's really no reason to ban them.

[Issac]

1) They don't ban RMT the second they start saying stuff. It's amazing you people don't notice that they ban RMT in huge chunks every week or two. Instant gratification generation I suppose.

2) You have an ignore feature. Use it. Until if an RMT account is paid for and is legal (not a stolen account), and that account has not actually participated in RMT, there's really no reason to ban them.

We don't really have any issues on Masamune, do we? Have you logged onto a NA server where you get 3 tells per minute, always a different name? Or worse?

I don't understand your stance on this.

[Kaedan94]

We don't really have any issues on Masamune, do we? Have you logged onto a NA server where you get 3 tells per minute, always a different name? Or worse?

I don't understand your stance on this.

Yeah, I have a character on Balmung. Your example is hyperbole in the extreme. The ignore function works well and SE bans thousands of RMT accounts every couple weeks.

In this situation people should damn well be wanting "instant gratification". They're PAYING FOR IT..

Technically, so are the RMT. If the accounts aren't stolen. That's why it takes time to investigate.

[Issac]

Yeah, I have a character on Balmung. Your example is hyperbole in the extreme. The ignore function works well and SE bans thousands of RMT accounts every couple weeks.

Only Balmung? Take note of the servers people are complaining from on the forums. Make a quick alt there and get a feel at different hours of the day. I did, and have seen the worst of it just to see for myself if these people were exaggerating. They weren't. If you feel you don't have the time to do so, your stance would be rather moot...

[RentisB]

Yeah, I have a character on Balmung. Your example is hyperbole in the extreme. The ignore function works well and SE bans thousands of RMT accounts every couple weeks.

Technically, so are the RMT. If the accounts aren't stolen. That's why it takes time to investigate.

Balmung is almost never open for Character Creation. There's no RMT there because they can't keep creating new characters to get around the "well working" blacklist. It doesn't work, at all, and needs to be fixed.

Which is why they should not be banned right away but instead silenced. At least lock tells if they get reported enough, IMMEDIATELY, not two weeks later. They need to be proactive in combating RMT and they're far from it, which is why the day after these huge bans, nothing has changed.

[WinterLuna]

Yeah, I have a character on Balmung. Your example is hyperbole in the extreme.

Make a character on Mateus and then tell us it's hyperbole. I'm on Cerberus now and I haven't had ONE RMT since I've been on here, but Mateus was absolutely awful. I shouldn't have to clear my blacklist of 200/200 every day because of RMT. Some servers are absolutely bombarded with the RMTs and people shouldn't have to spent their play time clearing a full blacklist to add even more RMTs to it.

[Airget]

We don't really have any issues on Masamune, do we? Have you logged onto a NA server where you get 3 tells per minute, always a different name? Or worse?

I don't understand your stance on this.

That stance is removing drones does nothing, nothing nothing and more nothing. You remove a drone then what, they make a new one and they keep doing this cause guess what, the drones are expendable. The purpose of the STF(Special Task Force) is to find the RMT leaders holding the gil and hit them where it hurts that's the only way they make headway against RMT. If they just ban the drones obtaining the gil they don't get rid of the true source behind the RMT actions only the people whom are expendable to the RMT cause.

[Shamo_Lomenzo]

That stance is removing drones does nothing, nothing nothing and more nothing. You remove a drone then what, they make a new one and they keep doing this cause guess what, the drones are expendable. The purpose of the STF(Special Task Force) is to find the RMT leaders holding the gil and hit them where it hurts that's the only way they make headway against RMT. If they just ban the drones obtaining the gil they don't get rid of the true source behind the RMT actions only the people whom are expendable to the RMT cause.

Couldn't SE take legal action against RMT websites? I'm fairly certain Nexon has done similar with gold sellers on their games (although I'm not entirely sure of their success).

[KisaiTenshi]

Couldn't SE take legal action against RMT websites? I'm fairly certain Nexon has done similar with gold sellers on their games (although I'm not entirely sure of their success).

Wow, what drugs did you take... hahahahaha... Nexon is if anything worse. So are all operators of Freemium games. The cash shop is what makes RMT so desirable on freemium games, because gachapon makes it easy to just buy a few thousand dollars worth of stuff using stolen credit cards/proceeds of crime, fence it in the game and then cash out via RMT.

Gachapon and RM is essentially gambling, which it's against federal law for banks to handle online gambling transactions in the US. So a lot of online games are treading on thin ice if they allow people to "cash out" of the game. The illegal RMT operations are illegal, both under copyright law and under federal banking regulations. To say nothing about hacking.

That's why they go to such extremes, like stealing players accounts and stripping+spamming from them.

Look no further than Blizzard learning that the hard way
http://www.wired.com/2013/09/diablo-auction-house/

Blizzard will shut down the in-game Auction House in its popular RPG Diablo III on March 18, 2014, it said this week.

The Auction House “undermines Diablo’s core game play,” said Blizzard production director John Hight in an official statement. As such, both auction houses — the one that lets players use their in-game play money to buy more weapons and armor, and the one that allows them to trade the loot they’ve farmed for actual real-world cash — will be shuttered, he said.

The only way RMT ends is by making games invite-only and making the penalty for inviting RMT's in, the loss of the account forever. You'd think that people would learn by now, not to do stupid and illegal things.

[SarcasmMisser]

Couldn't SE take legal action against RMT websites? I'm fairly certain Nexon has done similar with gold sellers on their games (although I'm not entirely sure of their success).

Ignoring jurisdiction issues, I said this in another thread that was deleted but there's no real legal precedent to go off that would make this clearly copyright infringement. A breach of contract is not illegal by itself, and the one case I do know of that has been brought before the courts eventually settled that it's not entirely copyright infringement either. What do you actually think this would accomplish, what damages would be awarded or possible injunctions? Cite that Nexon case because there's no real legal basis there unless you can be specific.