Exactly how obvious do RMT need to be SE?

[Shamo_Lomenzo]

That stance is removing drones does nothing, nothing nothing and more nothing. You remove a drone then what, they make a new one and they keep doing this cause guess what, the drones are expendable. The purpose of the STF(Special Task Force) is to find the RMT leaders holding the gil and hit them where it hurts that's the only way they make headway against RMT. If they just ban the drones obtaining the gil they don't get rid of the true source behind the RMT actions only the people whom are expendable to the RMT cause.

Couldn't SE take legal action against RMT websites? I'm fairly certain Nexon has done similar with gold sellers on their games (although I'm not entirely sure of their success).

[KisaiTenshi]

Couldn't SE take legal action against RMT websites? I'm fairly certain Nexon has done similar with gold sellers on their games (although I'm not entirely sure of their success).

Wow, what drugs did you take... hahahahaha... Nexon is if anything worse. So are all operators of Freemium games. The cash shop is what makes RMT so desirable on freemium games, because gachapon makes it easy to just buy a few thousand dollars worth of stuff using stolen credit cards/proceeds of crime, fence it in the game and then cash out via RMT.

Gachapon and RM is essentially gambling, which it's against federal law for banks to handle online gambling transactions in the US. So a lot of online games are treading on thin ice if they allow people to "cash out" of the game. The illegal RMT operations are illegal, both under copyright law and under federal banking regulations. To say nothing about hacking.

That's why they go to such extremes, like stealing players accounts and stripping+spamming from them.

Look no further than Blizzard learning that the hard way
http://www.wired.com/2013/09/diablo-auction-house/

Blizzard will shut down the in-game Auction House in its popular RPG Diablo III on March 18, 2014, it said this week.

The Auction House “undermines Diablo’s core game play,” said Blizzard production director John Hight in an official statement. As such, both auction houses — the one that lets players use their in-game play money to buy more weapons and armor, and the one that allows them to trade the loot they’ve farmed for actual real-world cash — will be shuttered, he said.

The only way RMT ends is by making games invite-only and making the penalty for inviting RMT's in, the loss of the account forever. You'd think that people would learn by now, not to do stupid and illegal things.

[SarcasmMisser]

Couldn't SE take legal action against RMT websites? I'm fairly certain Nexon has done similar with gold sellers on their games (although I'm not entirely sure of their success).

Ignoring jurisdiction issues, I said this in another thread that was deleted but there's no real legal precedent to go off that would make this clearly copyright infringement. A breach of contract is not illegal by itself, and the one case I do know of that has been brought before the courts eventually settled that it's not entirely copyright infringement either. What do you actually think this would accomplish, what damages would be awarded or possible injunctions? Cite that Nexon case because there's no real legal basis there unless you can be specific.

[Khalithar]

We don't really have any issues on Masamune, do we? Have you logged onto a NA server where you get 3 tells per minute, always a different name? Or worse?

Happens to me quite frequently on Mateus.

[RentisB]

1) They don't ban RMT the second they start saying stuff. It's amazing you people don't notice that they ban RMT in huge chunks every week or two. Instant gratification generation I suppose.

2) You have an ignore feature. Use it. Until if an RMT account is paid for and is legal (not a stolen account), and that account has not actually participated in RMT, there's really no reason to ban them.

No.1 is part of the problem. With WoW when an account gets enough reports it's automatically silenced and then sent to review. No weeks of waiting, and bots are even less time. RMT bots stopped using the tell function in that game because it was too quick. In ff14 they don't have to worry. In this situation people should damn well be wanting "instant gratification". They're PAYING FOR IT.

No.2 It's not OUR JOB to police the game. I pay SE money every month for them to take care of these issues, and they're just not. Oh sure they "ban thousands of accounts" every month or so but it clearly does nothing and they don't seem to be doing anything to actually address the cause of all this, just the very least amount to make people supposedly feel better.

People have a right to be upset and they should be. SE is doing a terrible job at this and deserve every bit of flack. It sucks but oh well, maybe if it keeps getting worse they'll actually bother to fix it.

[Chiramu]

No.2 It's not OUR JOB to police the game.

It actually is our responsibility to keep our servers clean and tidy. It is like RL, if you let someone else pick up your own garbage or someone elses' garbage it will never be picked up.

It is your job to make sure Square knows about the situation, do you think every employee sits and wait for something to happen? People are paid to work, not sit on their arses waiting for something to happen.

[Issac]

It is your job to make sure Square knows about the situation, do you think every employee sits and wait for something to happen? People are paid to work, not sit on their arses waiting for something to happen.

Don't be silly. With a right-click report button and a team dedicated to slamming them, there will never be an issue of nothing to do.

[Chiramu]

Don't be silly. With a right-click report button and a team dedicated to slamming them, there will never be an issue of nothing to do.

What do they do when there is none of that to do? If you get Square to pay someone to sit on their arses and ONLY do this shite, that is a massive amount of wasted money when they could be doing actual work.

[Kaedan94]

Don't be silly. With a right-click report button and a team dedicated to slamming them, there will never be an issue of nothing to do.

They have a team dedicated to slamming them. They "slam" thousands of accounts a week/2 weeks.

The issue is you aren't getting instant gratification, so you're upset. Your problem, not SE's.

[Veilqa]

It actually is our responsibility to keep our servers clean and tidy. It is like RL, if you let someone else pick up your own garbage or someone elses' garbage it will never be picked up.

It is your job to make sure Square knows about the situation, do you think every employee sits and wait for something to happen? People are paid to work, not sit on their arses waiting for something to happen.

I'm sorry but if you somehow consider it my job to police the gil spammers in game then square might as well start paying me per month instead of the other way around. Banning thousands of accounts is simply a bandaid fix that really passes over the root of the problem. I think that Square should start selling the gil themselves through the mog site and undercut these bastards. The amount of gil spammers/BLM farmers is really a disgraceful sight in such a beautiful game.