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    Philia Felice
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    Quote Originally Posted by GarnetTribal View Post
    The video - he seems to manage to get low on mana and time everything efficiently. Granted, he is parsing on a dummy. I feel like half of this very very major battle is just being able to dodge crap and still feel comfortable getting back on track with the rotation. I'd really like to see a video of him dodging hard mechanics to see what he does in the situation so that I can better understand it all.

    Perhaps I should just practice on a dummy for a very long time until I get comfortable enough with it all...I also need to get spell speed. A lot more. I feel that's another thing holding me back. Only being able to throw out 2 fire 4's just doesn't sound right to me.

    I also have an issue with when enochian falls off. I feel like it tends to fall of near the end of a fire4 chain, yet I can still throw out another fire 4. So, do I renew enochian, or throw out a fire 4 and wait for the cooldown and go back to 2.x rotation? Should my priority always be keeping Umbral up? Stop casting a fire 4 to throw out a fire?

    What about when the ability is up and ready - when would the ideal time to use that be? If I can throw out another fire 4 and enochian is about to fall off, should I use enochian? Should I renew? Should I throw out the fire 4, blizz 3, thunder, fire 3, and enochian? It could interrupt my last fire 4 and I wouldn't be able to get it off in time. To put it into perspective:

    If eno is on cooldown and is about to fall off:
    Fire 4 > (Instead of fire 4) Blizz 3 > Blizz 4 > Fire 3 > Fire 4 -- or should I use fire 4 and let eno fall off? This is in the midst of dodging - so chances are, I will fail at keeping it up. If I consistently fail at keeping it up, should I just opt to use the fire 4 and go back to 2.x rotation?

    If eno is off cooldown:
    Fire 4 > (Low mana) > Fire 4 (Eno falls off) > Blizz 3 > Thunder > Fire 3 > Eno > Fire 4

    I apologize for anyone reading this that is able to help me - it's a mess and probably confusing to you...hopefully not... I just want to nail this sonavab*tch rotation.
    Most of us went through a trouble spot relearning BLM at 60 but it gets significantly easier with time. You start seeing patterns and workarounds, and just accept the failures as something that's bullshit or something you have to work around. You don't even really have to keep an eye on the Enochian timer remaining unless something "changes" like procs or movement or low MP due to something.

    For your questions:

    Typically keeping up Enochian has priority over your current rotation. If you have to sacrifice one F4 (which happens semi-commonly with procs) to keep up Enochian, yes you sacrifice the F4. It has to be a case-by-case reason to not uphold it, such as a strict DPS check or having a very soon Sharpcast/Enochian anyway.

    Renew Enochian before the start of a new rotation, or around the start of a new one ... usually. The timers line up so that you get three rotations per Enochian usage. You always use Sharpcast with Enochian.

    Yes your examples of rotations are correct, assuming the MP ticks work out properly. Very rarely can you do B3 > T1 > F3, just saying.
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    Waliel Hla
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sleigh View Post
    You don't even really have to keep an eye on the Enochian timer remaining unless something "changes" like procs or movement or low MP due to something.
    This is actually a really good advice for people who feel overwhelmed by the idea of having to keep track of Eno and AF3. Unless something changes due to reasons Sleigh mentioned, you don't have to worry about your timers at all. Just remember to refresh Eno manually after your third rotation. There are also phase changes that force a change in the rotation possibly, but that's something every job has to learn fight by fight basis.
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    Bastilaa Shan
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    Gonna sound jaded but Enochian changes nothing about the job. Just another icon timer to watch. And only serves to gate 2 spells. And increase damage by 5%.

    Pfffft. Padding and Filler. Where are the real spells at? I want a spell on Blm that will even make a Fell Cleave Crit Warrior crap their pants and go WTF.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MagiusNecros View Post
    Pfffft. Padding and Filler. Where are the real spells at? I want a spell on Blm that will even make a Fell Cleave Crit Warrior crap their pants and go WTF.
    Well, you got that one with Fire4, and you can use it way more frequently than a Fell Cleave...
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    Player MagiusNecros's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by wicked-one View Post
    Well, you got that one with Fire4, and you can use it way more frequently than a Fell Cleave...
    Yeah it's the hardest hitting spell and probably attack in the game alongside Fell Cleave but for me the OOMPH just isn't there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sleigh View Post
    I'm not sure and that's basically near impossible to test, but from the testing I've done and seen on other DoTs, SS is really negligible right now on DoT damage. A few percentage here or there with a decent amount of SS. Even if it'd be, say, 400 potency after the SS buff, it wouldn't really change how you use it or its priority vs F4.
    True enough. Maybe we'll get a TC-like skill for some job in the future where it could be relevant.
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    I'shtola Maqa
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    Already said more or less but priority is making sure enochian has 100% up time, being able to cast another FireIV only for enochian to fall off and having to wait for cd's would be a significant dps loss.
    It takes practice on timing, but really is second nature once you got it down.
    Black Mage is fine as is i think, yes it was a change @ 60 but was honestly for the best as some found 2.X blm too boring. Those that truly love blm will stick with it, it may not be for everyone.

    Also do not use leylines, all the mechanics are based on blm using leylines
    (P.s i am joking about not using it)
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    Xisin Fendada
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    I've always loved the new blm rotation with enochian in it, it really allows those that master the job to shine. The enochian mechanic makes the job have more depth and a larger reward than 2.x blm could ever have. Enochian forces you into a decision making process, based on several factors (refer to sleigh's post.) I love the layers it added.
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    Player MagiusNecros's Avatar
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    You can always refresh Enoch with 8 seconds on the timer if you go B3 and B4 without moving. I usually use 10 seconds as the benchmark of when I need to stop what I'm doing and refresh it unless there are big mechanics coming my way and I have to revert to the 2.0 rotation.
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    Mala Liath
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    I can start casting Blizzard 3 @ 5 seconds left on Enochian and still refresh it just fine :^ ) That's why having extra spell speed is so good for Blackmages.
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