Black Mage Sanctuary - A Guide to DPS

[RyeMinx]

I see someone posted 4.x rotation is higher pps and to shelf the 3.0 hybrid? Some data would be nice to accompany the claim. The only reason I'm ever using B4 in my rotation are the following: 1, it's the opener; 2, convert is coming off CD; 3, i get a slow mana tick. I don't really see the reason to use it otherwise unless there's cold hard facts in favor of a 4.x rotation.

Your reasoning for using B4 is correct. I use it with LL rather than convert (since they line up every other LL) since LL makes your rotation go faster, so I want a few more spells in there to keep Foul timer nice and easy. But otherwise yea. It goes 5xF4 rotation > 6xF4B4 rotation > 4xF4 rotation.

[Ferrinus]

I feel like it's more often than not that I never have to cast B4 except when Convert is about to come off cooldown so that I can execute a full opener in an extended bossfight, and that's using leylines and triplecast on cooldown. You just need a bit of luck with procs.

[prophecy4seen]

http://imgur.com/a/l84Sr

Can someone explain what one does if you dont get the instant manatick? dont get the free TC proc and dont have foul? because this happens alot more than people realize and should be part of the test.
We need 2 ticks in Umbral for full MP. Unless im missing something, even if the 5F4 rotation does more pps. Its offset by the fact that you will sometimes be in Umbral twiddling your thumbs.
Please let me know if im missing something here

[RyeMinx]

Can someone explain what one does if you dont get the instant manatick? dont get the free TC proc and dont have foul? because this happens alot more than people realize and should be part of the test.
We need 2 ticks in Umbral for full MP. Unless im missing something, even if the 5F4 rotation does more pps. Its offset by the fact that you will sometimes be in Umbral twiddling your thumbs.
Please let me know if im missing something here

Well you need to be trying your best to save a T3P or Foul for these situations. If you don't get a mana tick tho, you just wait until you do, cast 1 spell, then F3 again. Since you had to wait for 1 mana tick, you are able to use either T3, Foul (if it just came up) or B4, then go directly into your AF rotation. Ideally tho, you want to have at least one proc ready going into UI. If not, pray for fast mana tick. As long as you aren't getting no procs with slow mana ticks every rotation, its still worth it to do.

[Galvuu]

Can someone explain what one does if you dont get the instant manatick? dont get the free TC proc and dont have foul? because this happens alot more than people realize and should be part of the test.
We need 2 ticks in Umbral for full MP. Unless im missing something, even if the 5F4 rotation does more pps. Its offset by the fact that you will sometimes be in Umbral twiddling your thumbs.
Please let me know if im missing something here

Depends on speed.
If it's absolutely instant, I'll T3>Foul>F3 or, if I TC'd like 5 seconds ago, I'll Foul>F3 (and get my mana back, as that's 4 seconds of cast time; I may delay F3 for like 0.2 seconds to be sure).
If that's too quick for you (as in, your speed is too high to allow for Foul>F3 and you TC'd like 2 gcds ago), then just B4.

[prophecy4seen]

I see. so over the course of a fight, you would likely use the 4.0 along with the 4.05 rotation depending luck with TC procs and good management of foul timing. Also have we been able to confirm that is stat wise its. SPS>DH>DET>CRIT? If so, how much crit should be classed as enough?

[Kaalia_Stormborn]

I see. so over the course of a fight, you would likely use the 4.0 along with the 4.05 rotation depending luck with TC procs and good management of foul timing. Also have we been able to confirm that is stat wise its. SPS>DH>DET>CRIT? If so, how much crit should be classed as enough?

I'm certain that is the stat line up, unless something changes, and I'll be socketing DET wherever I can't have SPS or DH. You have to stack crit to astronomically high levels that i don't believe are achievable for it to make a noticeable difference.

[Lelila38]

I'm certain that is the stat line up, unless something changes, and I'll be socketing DET wherever I can't have SPS or DH. You have to stack crit to astronomically high levels that i don't believe are achievable for it to make a noticeable difference.

If you're going for Ss and Dh as high as you can, that will leave you 1 materia slot where you can meld crit or det. At least that's what the BiS I decided to work towards shows. It's such a small amount that I don't think either one or the other will make much difference.

[Waliel]

Speaking of SS tiers and stuff, has anyone checked how much you need for 0.01 reduction in F4 casts? Your GCD might need an extra 67 or whatever, but because of the longer base cast, F4 and B4 need slightly less SS to shave another 0.01 off. Could be that another 20 would do it, if you're lucky.

Random thought. Not too likely to happen, though, I think.

[Lilyth]

Heya, what belt are you guys going for?

Augmented Lost Allagan Belt of Casting -- (117 DH / 82 Crit)
Genji Obi of Casting -- (117 Det / 82 SpellSpeed)

Spell Speed is still out preferred stat but is that extra 77 SS worth all that Determination? I.E., is it worth the difference between 117 DH vs 117 Det plus the 82 crit? I think imma go with the Allagan for now.