Black Mage Sanctuary - A Guide to DPS

[Galvuu]

So i was wondering would a DH heavy blm beat a SS heavy blm?

If i were to solo test this theory how would i go about it?

Bash a dummy for 20 minutes with each set and see which set comes out on top.
Important to keep all other variables as controlled as possible.
The answer to this question isn't obvious in my head, and it might depend a good deal if the speed tier you end up in grants you some important windows (clipping one last spell in Ley Lines or pot, for example).

[Kaalia_Stormborn]

I see someone posted 4.x rotation is higher pps and to shelf the 3.0 hybrid? Some data would be nice to accompany the claim. The only reason I'm ever using B4 in my rotation are the following: 1, it's the opener; 2, convert is coming off CD; 3, i get a slow mana tick. I don't really see the reason to use it otherwise unless there's cold hard facts in favor of a 4.x rotation.

[RyeMinx]

I see someone posted 4.x rotation is higher pps and to shelf the 3.0 hybrid? Some data would be nice to accompany the claim. The only reason I'm ever using B4 in my rotation are the following: 1, it's the opener; 2, convert is coming off CD; 3, i get a slow mana tick. I don't really see the reason to use it otherwise unless there's cold hard facts in favor of a 4.x rotation.

Your reasoning for using B4 is correct. I use it with LL rather than convert (since they line up every other LL) since LL makes your rotation go faster, so I want a few more spells in there to keep Foul timer nice and easy. But otherwise yea. It goes 5xF4 rotation > 6xF4B4 rotation > 4xF4 rotation.

[Ferrinus]

I feel like it's more often than not that I never have to cast B4 except when Convert is about to come off cooldown so that I can execute a full opener in an extended bossfight, and that's using leylines and triplecast on cooldown. You just need a bit of luck with procs.

[prophecy4seen]

I see. so over the course of a fight, you would likely use the 4.0 along with the 4.05 rotation depending luck with TC procs and good management of foul timing. Also have we been able to confirm that is stat wise its. SPS>DH>DET>CRIT? If so, how much crit should be classed as enough?

[Kaalia_Stormborn]

I see. so over the course of a fight, you would likely use the 4.0 along with the 4.05 rotation depending luck with TC procs and good management of foul timing. Also have we been able to confirm that is stat wise its. SPS>DH>DET>CRIT? If so, how much crit should be classed as enough?

I'm certain that is the stat line up, unless something changes, and I'll be socketing DET wherever I can't have SPS or DH. You have to stack crit to astronomically high levels that i don't believe are achievable for it to make a noticeable difference.

[Lelila38]

I'm certain that is the stat line up, unless something changes, and I'll be socketing DET wherever I can't have SPS or DH. You have to stack crit to astronomically high levels that i don't believe are achievable for it to make a noticeable difference.

If you're going for Ss and Dh as high as you can, that will leave you 1 materia slot where you can meld crit or det. At least that's what the BiS I decided to work towards shows. It's such a small amount that I don't think either one or the other will make much difference.

[Waliel]

Speaking of SS tiers and stuff, has anyone checked how much you need for 0.01 reduction in F4 casts? Your GCD might need an extra 67 or whatever, but because of the longer base cast, F4 and B4 need slightly less SS to shave another 0.01 off. Could be that another 20 would do it, if you're lucky.

Random thought. Not too likely to happen, though, I think.

[Lilyth]

Heya, what belt are you guys going for?

Augmented Lost Allagan Belt of Casting -- (117 DH / 82 Crit)
Genji Obi of Casting -- (117 Det / 82 SpellSpeed)

Spell Speed is still out preferred stat but is that extra 77 SS worth all that Determination? I.E., is it worth the difference between 117 DH vs 117 Det plus the 82 crit? I think imma go with the Allagan for now.

[RyeMinx]

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(this is based on common consensus, but we don't know exact stat weights yet) DH and Crit are kinda like, pick one. That is now your second best stat, and the other is now your worst. As long as you can get high numbers of either, doesn't really matter what you pick. Det is 3rd, regardless of which you pick. So do you want 117 of your 3rd best stat and 82 of your best stat, or 117 of your second stat, and 82 of your worst stat. Seeing that we are melding SS to both, that doesnt really matter except the genji piece does lose a few points, but not much. Personally, I am aiming for the Genji piece, but without stat weights, it is a close call.