Black Mage Sanctuary - A Guide to DPS

[Lelila38]

That's up for debate. With the revelation that the 3.0 rotation does more dps then the 4.0, one might say just skip spell speed altogether and go for Dh/Det. If you want to stick to hope in that they will fix the 4.0 rotation, then I say SpS.

I would never go with Det, it has always been and still is a waste, cause for it to have any effect you'd need to put more points on it than is even possible.
That being said, while I personally am still a fan of SS, with the 3.x rotation being superior atm, I can see Crit having probably the most benefit. So, provided we don't get a fix soon, I'd most likely go Crit > SS > DH

[Galvuu]

I would never go with Det, it has always been and still is a waste, cause for it to have any effect you'd need to put more points on it than is even possible.
That being said, while I personally am still a fan of SS, with the 3.x rotation being superior atm, I can see Crit having probably the most benefit. So, provided we don't get a fix soon, I'd most likely go Crit > SS > DH

Preliminary numbers show that DH>>Det>CH for pure dps (speed is hard to quantify- it's more of a stat where you "grab a number you're comfortable with").
The CH nerf was severe. I cannot stress how much DH outscales it in our current stat range (you need to spike CH to over 3k for it to overtake DH).
Determination seems to be holding quite well VS CH too, although it doesn't scale as well as DH.
Your best bet is to get whatever speed you're comfortable with and then stack as much DH as possible, and use Det to fill the gaps or, if not possible, CH.

[Shiroe]

For melee can see details possibly being valid, even though hard to believe, crit and dhit seem more valuable, but I don't have numbers to compare.

For Blm Spell Speed was always top priority, than crit..., last det. Can't imagine det being more important for Blm than SS, unless we have hard numbers to compare..., or det somehow increases the process likelihood or something.

[Shiroe]

For melee can see details possibly being valid, even though hard to believe, crit and dhit seem more valuable, but I don't have numbers to compare.

For Blm Spell Speed was always top priority, than crit..., last det. Can't imagine det being more important for Blm than SS, unless we have hard numbers to compare..., or det somehow increases the process likelihood or something.

"details" = det (ffing mobile auto correct)
"process" = proc (again.., auto correct)

sry, but couldn't edit the post from my mobile..

[Maero]

Except back in 2.o determination was actually of higher value then crit for sometime
Testing also needs to be done if DH has any impact, i know Red Mage it plays more of a role

[soslinky]

If anything, most of the data I've read on the forums/reddit are of DH and how the numbers indicate it being the better stat. Until someone is able to crunch the numbers on Crit and Det then DH is the safest bet.

[Galvuu]

This is mathematical.
The scalings change with each expansion, so whatever was true for HW has no bearing on what's true for SB.
Leaving speed aside for a moment (hard to quantify, as usual), dervy and a few other folk has a reddit thread with preliminary numbers (quite a bit of data, but they wanted finer points for the interpolation).
These numbers showed that, for SB, just for a pure dps perspective, DH>>Det>CH.
This makes sense because crit scaling got cut down to a third (you need like 66 points of crit to grab the 1% crit chance).
We have nothing in our kits that further augments crits and nothing that benefits from it (we don't get a Firestarter for sure if Fire crits, for example), so all crit gives is raw dps.
Therefore, as far as we know at the moment for SB, Det might be the better choice, for our secondary stat range.
(Can't find the thread :/)

[HaroldSaxon]

This is mathematical.
The scalings change with each expansion, so whatever was true for HW has no bearing on what's true for SB.
Leaving speed aside for a moment (hard to quantify, as usual), dervy and a few other folk has a reddit thread with preliminary numbers (quite a bit of data, but they wanted finer points for the interpolation).
These numbers showed that, for SB, just for a pure dps perspective, DH>>Det>CH.
This makes sense because crit scaling got cut down to a third (you need like 66 points of crit to grab the 1% crit chance).
We have nothing in our kits that further augments crits and nothing that benefits from it (we don't get a Firestarter for sure if Fire crits, for example), so all crit gives is raw dps.
Therefore, as far as we know at the moment for SB, Det might be the better choice, for our secondary stat range.
(Can't find the thread :/)

The thread on Reddit? Yeah... go read the comments.

[Galvuu]

The thread on Reddit? Yeah... go read the comments.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...o_stat_values/
This is the thread for reference.
I read the comments... what exactly should stand out here?
He has some ultra minor corrections and people asking about crit for BRD/MNK due to their job mechanics and some talk on tenacity VS CH.
You need to be a bit more specific...

(Note that dervy posted this. The guy that does the stat weights every two patches or so. I tend to be partial towards believing him, and having glanced over his numbers, it seems to look aight).

For BLM, there has been an almost negligible difference between weights based on a dummy rotation and weights based on a theoretical rotation of one GCD. Even though buffs mana tick stuff ought to be accounted for, these don't change the spell speed weight significantly. Nearly all BLM damage has to come from weaponskills, and therefore benefits from spell speed about equally.

This is true for any job. The reason we've always been able to get away with speed stacking is because of our infinite mana pool. That, and our dots frequently clip due to Thundercloud (and you can swap out T3 for something else (B4) in your UI cycle if the timer is still very long on the current dot).

[SunnyHirose]

For BLM, there has been an almost negligible difference between weights based on a dummy rotation and weights based on a theoretical rotation of one GCD. Even though buffs mana tick stuff ought to be accounted for, these don't change the spell speed weight significantly. Nearly all BLM damage has to come from weaponskills, and therefore benefits from spell speed about equally.

Moreover, unless core BLM gameplay stops being mostly hardcasting, it is hard to dethrone spell speed as a practical personal preference regardless of other stats' effectiveness. If you factored in a reasonable estimate of how many casts get lost for lack of it, you might end up having to utility-weight it higher than INT if you're really bad at it (like me). Now for career BLMs, I feel it's more like by the time you hit the SS threshold where more won't make things a single bit easier, it has already hit the point where increasing returns on SS has it outweighing other secondaries.