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  1. #141
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    Quote Originally Posted by Prettylush View Post
    Grand Master of Magic here. The Grand Master is confused as to why people think they can't use their T3 procs and cast 1 less F4 to keep Enochian up properly. The Grandmaster is concerned about the mental well-being of the Novice Magicians here.
    The Grand Master needs to go back to school or stick to healing.
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  2. #142
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    Sounds decent, but would have liked more QoL changes than a bit more DPS.
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  3. #143
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    hey choco, I think it might be possible that SS is our best stat now. consider the det ss over the crit, we should ALWAYS have the thunder going now imo. even if we clip the dot on the cloud now, we can do so and get more potency than the fire 4. + ss damage on the ticks.
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  4. #144
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xisin View Post
    hey choco, I think it might be possible that SS is our best stat now. consider the det ss over the crit, we should ALWAYS have the thunder going now imo. even if we clip the dot on the cloud now, we can do so and get more potency than the fire 4. + ss damage on the ticks.
    http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/QYN9

    Still don't know what Alex Savage's accuracy will be, but this is a rough estimate on how much SSPD we can stack.
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  5. #145
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    Philia Felice
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    Quote Originally Posted by SaucepanKaoz View Post
    First of all, TC has always been stronger than f4, it's just a low chance of getting it so it wasnt worth spending a GCD unless it was a slow tick. But if you got it you shouldve used it and used some brain power to not be retarded and skip a f4 if you have to.

    Now its a 1-0.90^6=0.468559 (aka about 47%) every thunder1 that you get a proc that has the potency of 710-(40*x), x being the amount of ticks you have left on your thunder. Not to mention every time you TC the proc rate goes up to 1-0.90^8=0.56953279, aka about 57% for at least another proc during the whole new thunder duration.

    Just stop being retarded and skip a f4 and go into UI earlier to refresh enochian, it was worth it before, it sure damn is worth it now. It went from like 26% to get a TC from t1 to fucking 47%, that's one hell of a buff. Not to mention getting off a TC means you potentially don't have to refresh it during UI at all.

    No kappas
    Or you can do F4 > B3 > B4/T3 > opposite as the rest of us "retarded" people do. Hell of a lot better than skipped F4 for T3 > B3 > B4 > oh shit I'm forced to use filler, I just traded a F4 for B1!
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  6. #146
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    Quote Originally Posted by OneWingedSora View Post
    http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/QYN9

    Still don't know what Alex Savage's accuracy will be, but this is a rough estimate on how much SSPD we can stack.
    Totally not BiS, but:

    http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/QYNQ

    *Unzips*
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  7. #147
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    Ferth Fontaine
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    Seems like the next step should be allowing Fire 4 to proc firestarter.

    Since F3 is less damage than our primary dps spell now, that would turn it into a utility proc, rather than the flat dps boost it used to be. With a fresh enochian we could potentially eke out an extra F4 but that wouldn't make us OP, and the increased mobility of being able to move and keep AF up would make enochian less frustrating over all.
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  8. #148
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    Aikaal Leyma
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    Proving once again the only way to fix something is to increase potencies and worsening the problem with Thundercloud by doubling the procs. It's definitely a boost for stuff like A1 and at a base of 780 Potency. Thundercloud is the best single target spell in the game. With that potency so high, you can recast a proc under 18 seconds to have a better Potency than F4. Under 21 second is barely a lost.

    That's not QoL, that's stupidity and display you don't know how to balance your stuff.

    Regardless what we think. Spell Speed gets a pretty good boost. Not to mention faster cast means higher chance to use a filler Thunder. It also means a better window to use your procs.
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  9. #149
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    Philia Felice
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    Been doing some Alex NM farm before we can raid later ... BLM feels exactly the same. The Enochian buff is so far as situational as it sounds (you really don't want to turn rotation 3 into rotation by default, Sharpcast isn't up usually even if you would), and the Thundercloud buff, you really can't use them without sacrificing F4 for, because the later your rotation is before B4, even if you technically have time, that makes dodging that much hairier and limits your options greatly.

    Just my impression after a few dummy trials and some A1-4s. It is a DPS increase just on the fact that you can use Thundercloud as filler more often, and Thunder does a little more, but it's not a big increase, and I kind of wonder why they did it in the first place when the complaints were about Enochian timers.
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    Aikaal Leyma
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    It feels Spell Speed will get a stronger impact. That said, they definitely missed the train on making Thundercloud part of the rotation. First dummy try when I logged I did 1220 single target Dummy 4 minutes parse with an X-Potion. The buff is noticeable and I guess you lose less DPS from moving if you get more procs.

    Fact is Thundercloud is superior to Fire IV. You need to clip a Thunder dot higher than 18 seconds to actually lose DPS versus Fire IV. So you might lose some Fire IVs but it's still a gain and a proc = mobility. There is also a situation you can Enochian in the middle of your astral fire so you don't lose any Fire IV. At best, you get a Thundercloud and replace that Fire IV by a Fire I which is still a DPS gain.
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