Black Mage Sanctuary - A Guide to DPS

[Garotte14]

@Nekotee that is your opinion, i am not 100% fully melded like i wanted as A) i hate bothering FC members each time i need melds, and B) i hate crafting
Besides this was a temporary thing for some of my melds as i had planned on swapping them out at a later time
Crafted gear is better then the lore (230) gear for many pieces.
I also can only spend so much tomes as i also play Ninja XD

To be clear, crafted gear is only better than lore gear on your way to 240. A full 240 BiS, while meeting the accuracy requirement does not include crafted pieces. I'm not sure if thats what you mean. Like the crafted chest is easily better than the Lore chest, but that doesn't mean its BiS. I'm sure you mean that, I just wanted to clarify.

My static just called it quits and I have transferred servers, but I'm hearing A8S acc cap is 594. If that is the case, than this should be the absolute BiS: http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/U2TQ unless I'm missing something

[OneWingedSora]

To be clear, crafted gear is only better than lore gear on your way to 240. A full 240 BiS, while meeting the accuracy requirement does not include crafted pieces. I'm not sure if thats what you mean. Like the crafted chest is easily better than the Lore chest, but that doesn't mean its BiS. I'm sure you mean that, I just wanted to clarify.

My static just called it quits and I have transferred servers, but I'm hearing A8S acc cap is 594. If that is the case, than this should be the absolute BiS: http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/U2TQ unless I'm missing something

Where is the math behind all i240 neck being better than crafted i220 neck pentamelded or the i230 lore ring over i240 midan one.

[Garotte14]

Where is the math behind all i240 necl being better than crafted i220 neck pentamelded or the i230 lore ring over i240 midan one.

Huh? Why would I compare the i230 Lore ring to the i240 midan ring? You have to wear one of each.

As far as the necklace is concerned, a pentamelded crafted necklace is not better than the Midan necklace. If you pentameld the necklace with all Tier V's you'd be looking at 51 intelligence, 46 acc, 36, Crit, 12 Det, and 44 SS. First, if you're using the stats weights on Ariyala as reference, there is no way in hell that Spell Speed weighs 0.413. That number is way too high. Its not even close to that. My caculations put it somewhere more around 0.275, which is still high for a stat weight this early into the expansion. So assuming the stat weights on Ariyala are correct with the exception of SS, thats 51 Int + (36 Crit * 0.206) + (12 Det * 0.172) + (44 SS * 0.275) = 72.58. The Midan neck would be 61 Int + (51 Crit * 0.206) + (12 SS * 0.275) = 74.806. And even if SS was weighed at something like 0.35 (which there is no way), it would put them about even, but with 10 less Accuracy. There is really no arguing this one. You can compare a crafted piece to a midan piece, and the crafted piece might even come out on top, but if you're taking accuracy into account, then you can't just look at a piece to piece comparison.

[OneWingedSora]

Huh? Why would I compare the i230 Lore ring to the i240 midan ring? You have to wear one of each.

As far as the necklace is concerned, a pentamelded crafted necklace is not better than the Midan necklace. If you pentameld the necklace with all Tier V's you'd be looking at 51 intelligence, 46 acc, 36, Crit, 12 Det, and 44 SS. First, if you're using the stats weights on Ariyala as reference, there is no way in hell that Spell Speed weighs 0.413. That number is way too high. Its not even close to that. My caculations put it somewhere more around 0.275, which is still high for a stat weight this early into the expansion. So assuming the stat weights on Ariyala are correct with the exception of SS, thats 51 Int + (36 Crit * 0.206) + (12 Det * 0.172) + (44 SS * 0.275) = 72.58. The Midan neck would be 61 Int + (51 Crit * 0.206) + (12 SS * 0.275) = 74.806. And even if SS was weighed at something like 0.35 (which there is no way), it would put them about even, but with 10 less Accuracy. There is really no arguing this one. You can compare a crafted piece to a midan piece, and the crafted piece might even come out on top, but if you're taking accuracy into account, then you can't just look at a piece to piece comparison.

Incorrect. You can wear the i240 lore ring and the non-upgraded i230 lore ring, which destroys the Midan ring.

Here is a comparison from the build you posted on the previous page vs the build I posted before(http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/U2VK)

Putting SSPD at 0.321, you would gain 10.926 int from build over yours.

Also, can I see the source data behind those spell speed calculations of yours ?

Hell, even with only 1 V overmeld , even with your spell speed weight of 0.275, which is just as unfounded as the weight of 0.413, this set still beats out yours(+5.55 int, and -22 piety) and it uses i230 ring+i220 necklace. realistically the gain is much higher because spell speed isn't that low, but even if we lean towards your side of the argument and go by your numbers, your set is still worse, and you're still wrong.

http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/U2VP

[Garotte14]

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Cool. I don't mind being proven wrong, so not really any need to e-peen about it. I'm fine with having an adult discussion, and I misunderstood your comparison between the lore and Midan ring. No reason to get all bent out of shape.

[HaroldSaxon]

Huh? Why would I compare the i230 Lore ring to the i240 midan ring? You have to wear one of each.

As far as the necklace is concerned, a pentamelded crafted necklace is not better than the Midan necklace. If you pentameld the necklace with all Tier V's you'd be looking at 51 intelligence, 46 acc, 36, Crit, 12 Det, and 44 SS. First, if you're using the stats weights on Ariyala as reference, there is no way in hell that Spell Speed weighs 0.413. That number is way too high. Its not even close to that. My caculations put it somewhere more around 0.275, which is still high for a stat weight this early into the expansion. So assuming the stat weights on Ariyala are correct with the exception of SS, thats 51 Int + (36 Crit * 0.206) + (12 Det * 0.172) + (44 SS * 0.275) = 72.58. The Midan neck would be 61 Int + (51 Crit * 0.206) + (12 SS * 0.275) = 74.806. And even if SS was weighed at something like 0.35 (which there is no way), it would put them about even, but with 10 less Accuracy. There is really no arguing this one. You can compare a crafted piece to a midan piece, and the crafted piece might even come out on top, but if you're taking accuracy into account, then you can't just look at a piece to piece comparison.

Why do you say its too high, and why are your weights correct? Where are your calculations?

FYI, the i-level we're at currently can get is above 2.4 - 2.4 was i130 (with i50 being the base), whereas we're at i240 now with i150 being the base.

After how many months of you posting your stat weight, you've still failed at producing any kind of evidence, so right now it is as verified as the 0.413. I.e, none whatsoever.

Also @Kairi

Miunih says that he has misses with 593 accuracy in AS8 - was you previous post a typo?

[OneWingedSora]

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I corrected him and replied saying it was an auto-attack most likely and he said that was probably it. I am having no misses so far at 592 either but need to play with it more to confirm if it's 100% accurate or not, though I don't think I can get a BiS that can use that accuracy anyway.

[Garotte14]

Why do you say its too high, and why are your weights correct? Where are your calculations?

FYI, the i-level we're at currently can get is above 2.4 - 2.4 was i130 (with i50 being the base), whereas we're at i240 now with i150 being the base.

After how many months of you posting your stat weight, you've still failed at producing any kind of evidence, so right now it is as verified as the 0.413. I.e, none whatsoever.

I have never once stated that my stat weights are correct. I have stated multiple times on here and in the guide that stat weights are not confirmed. The stats weights I am currently using are the ones listed on Ariyala, with the exception of SS which is listed at 0.413. I also added the stat weights to my guide more to show ppl how they work, and that was added Apr 21st, so not sure where you're getting the "many months" from.

Anyways, I'm not trying to argue. Can I prove that SS is not weighed at 0.413? No, I cannot. But I've been playing BLM a long time and 0.413 is just too high. We all know the stat priority. I honestly don't care what you believe. I only want to give ppl who are looking to learn, the best advice I can give. I'm not trying to cheat anyone or mislead anyone or give false information.

[HaroldSaxon]

I have never once stated that my stat weights are correct. I have stated multiple times on here and in the guide that stat weights are not confirmed. The stats weights I am currently using are the ones listed on Ariyala, with the exception of SS which is listed at 0.413. I also added the stat weights to my guide more to show ppl how they work, and that was added Apr 21st, so not sure where you're getting the "many months" from.

Anyways, I'm not trying to argue. Can I prove that SS is not weighed at 0.413? No, I cannot. But I've been playing BLM a long time and 0.413 is just too high. We all know the stat priority. I honestly don't care what you believe. I only want to give ppl who are looking to learn, the best advice I can give. I'm not trying to cheat anyone or mislead anyone or give false information.

But you have said statements such as "As far as the necklace is concerned, a pentamelded crafted necklace is not better than the Midan necklace" - using your stat weights.

You really should not be using unconfirmed stat weights in any kind of guide or as a basis for any kind of analysis. The fact that you are touting your own "unconfirmed" stat weight which, as you say yourself are unconfirmed. The many months ago was from when you've been saying other stat weights in this thread, although I may have you confused with someone else so my apologies if that is the case.

The fact of the matter is, you've not said the method in which you've got the stat. The individual who provided the 0.413 weight has - via a simulator. Its still unconfirmed because we've not seen the math behind it, but its still better than pulling a random number out of thin air.

If you don't have a proven accurate stat weighting, state so and give example numbers and make it damn clear that its an example. And don't go and then use those numbers claiming a piece is better than another.

Regarding the 0.413 stat weight - well, at 2.5, the exact weighting at high levels of spellspeed was over 0.3 at that point. The gear we have available now (i240 compared to base i150) is better than in 2.x (i130 compared to base i50). Furthermore, we have some further added benefit of extra spellspeed:

a) Reducing the amount of time spend in Umbral Ice when using T1+B4
b) Potentially increasing the amount of spells you can get under Ley Lines - I haven't done the calculations for the normal rotation, but potentially there is a point that you can do f3, 5 x f4, B3.
c) Higher Potency rotation due to the extra potency of F4
d) More Thundercloud procs - with enough spellspeed, you can get more procs in than you would normally be able to.
e) Spellspeed scales on DoT's now.

That said, we have lost some benefits such as Fey Glow. But I can see why its potentially increased, but without hard numbers and calculations, you cannot say for sure what the number is.

[Garotte14]

But you have said statements such as "As far as the necklace is concerned, a pentamelded crafted necklace is not better than the Midan necklace" - using your stat weights.

You really should not be using unconfirmed stat weights in any kind of guide or as a basis for any kind of analysis. The fact that you are touting your own "unconfirmed" stat weight which, as you say yourself are unconfirmed. The many months ago was from when you've been saying other stat weights in this thread, although I may have you confused with someone else so my apologies if that is the case.

The fact of the matter is, you've not said the method in which you've got the stat. The individual who provided the 0.413 weight has - via a simulator. Its still unconfirmed because we've not seen the math behind it, but its still better than pulling a random number out of thin air.

If you don't have a proven accurate stat weighting, state so and give example numbers and make it damn clear that its an example. And don't go and then use those numbers claiming a piece is better than another.

Ok, so I see your point and I apologize for stating that the Midan necklace was better than the crafted necklace as a fact. It is my opinion that its better. Although, I do state several times that the stat weights are arbitrary and I have I my nose to the ground and will update as soon as numbers can be confirmed and validated. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. I never care about being right or wrong. I didn't make this guide because I believe I'm the best at this. I did it to help the community and there wasn't really a guide that had all the information in one spot. And the others that have created guides are gone from the game. Plus, most guides really only spoke of endgame rotations, while negating the basics of the class and the game in general. I don't plan on going anywhere for a very long time, so I know I'll be around to continue managing the guide into the future.

Regarding the 0.413 stat weight - well, at 2.5, the exact weighting at high levels of spellspeed was over 0.3 at that point. The gear we have available now (i240 compared to base i150) is better than in 2.x (i130 compared to base i50). Furthermore, we have some further added benefit of extra spellspeed.

With that being said, the only thing I'll say to counter this statement is, if that were the case, wouldn't all the stat weights be higher? Toward the end of the expansion, all 3 secondaries hovered around 0.2 - 0.3. Yes, SS was higher than Det and Crit, but not by that much. They were all higher than 0.2. Now I know SS has changed a bit with our Enochian and AF timers being a big factor, and also that SS now affects DoTs, but Crit was also adjusted to now include damage done as well as rate. If SS was really as high as 0.413 (which it might be), I would expect Det and Crit to be in the high 0.2s, with Crit probably being in the 0.3s. Again, I'm not stating this as fact. But with my experience with the game and the class, I feel 0.413 is too high. Dervy also agrees that number is way too high. Truthfully, I've been waiting for him to level BLM and do the stat weights, because we all know he knows what he's doing.