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  1. #611
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    For the opener, why not add T3 into the mix? So, in essence:

    Code:
               240    B3
    0.5                            Swiftcast
    2.36   390    T3
                                      Quelling
                                      Ley Lines
                                      Sharpcast
    2.01   168     F3
                                      Enochian
    2.01   304.2  F1
    0.5                            Raging
    1                                Pot
    2.41   635.0  F4
    2.41   635.0  F4
    2.41   635.0  F4  
    2.01   544.3  FS      Convert
    2.41   635.0  F4
    2.41   635.0  F4
    2.41   635.0  F4
    2.01   176.4  B3
    2.01   745.5  TC
    2.41   294     B4
    I'm using the same spell speed as your guide. Other variations include T1 after the 2nd B3.

    I realize that this opener is extremely luck dependent and failing to get a Thundercloud proc will result in a dps loss.
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    Last edited by Neophyter; 08-28-2015 at 02:07 AM. Reason: Factoring Raging strikes and AF timer

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    Pairo Orunitia
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    Quote Originally Posted by OneWingedSora View Post
    Creme Brulee if you don't need the accuracy and can reach the SSPD cap on the food, Marron glace if you need the accuracy.
    Spellspeed cap? What spellspeed cap? O.o
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  3. #613
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pyroclastic View Post
    Spellspeed cap? What spellspeed cap? O.o
    The 40 Spell Speed on Creme Brulee.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OneWingedSora View Post
    The 40 Spell Speed on Creme Brulee.
    Oh, you got me worried there for a sec ;D
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neophyter View Post
    For the opener, why not add T3 into the mix? So, in essence:.
    You can't fit 3 oGCDs in a Swiftcast spell. 2 rides the line during Leylines, you'd have to add .5s or so to your timeline.

    Could go into the benefits/cons of B3 vs F1 or F3 openers, but here's by far the biggest reason B3 openers are dead weight IMO. Depending on group buff timers, long ramp up openers, at whatever benefit they may or may not bring, can be bad for 3.0 group buffs. If your DRG pops Litany on the pull, as is a common strat, you're spending about 8s of it ramping up. Heck, you may even miss a bit of TA in there. I'm sure we all know, Foe's or no Foe's, BLM on the opener with crits is some of the nastiest burst in the game, possibly the strongest if you get a few 10k crits of your 5 to 6 F4s. You don't wanna miss even one RS F4 with Litany if you can help it.
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  6. #616
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sleigh View Post
    If your DRG pops Litany on the pull, as is a common strat, you're spending about 8s of it ramping up.
    I feel as though popping group CDs on pull is bad practice because all classes have ramp up (at least 3 GCDs to put on slashing/piercing/blunt debuff? I don't play MNK or DRG but for NIN and WAR, it's 3 GCDs) and so the B3 opener shouldn't be that big of a deal, but if it's as you say, then yeah, my opener will lose out on the group buffs. Also, I adjusted my opener to have quelling and ley lines before the B3 but being on my phone and trying to put it in here makes me sad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neophyter View Post
    I feel as though popping group CDs on pull is bad practice because all classes have ramp up (at least 3 GCDs to put on slashing/piercing/blunt debuff? I don't play MNK or DRG but for NIN and WAR, it's 3 GCDs) and so the B3 opener shouldn't be that big of a deal, but if it's as you say, then yeah, my opener will lose out on the group buffs. Also, I adjusted my opener to have quelling and ley lines before the B3 but being on my phone and trying to put it in here makes me sad.
    Just my opinion but I personally completely disagree on a B3 opener. I don't see the benefit for the time wasted
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  8. #618
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    I came up with a new opener but a minimum of 687 Spell Speed is required as it barely leaves any room for error.

    Code:
                       Quelling Strikes
                       Ley Lines
                       Sharpcast
    0.00   240.00  B3
    0.50               Swiftcast
    2.01   190.00  T3  Enochian
                       Raging Strikes
    2.01   211.68  F3
    0.50               Pot
    2.41   635.04  F4
    2.41   635.04  F4
    2.01   408.24  F1
    2.01   894.60  TC  Convert
    2.41   635.04  F4
    2.41   635.04  F4
    2.41   635.04  F4
    2.01   176.40  B3
    2.41   294.00  B4 
    
    25.76  5590.12  
    
    PPS: 217.0078
    Tried it out and it worked with 687 Spell Speed. You barely squeeze in the Fire 4 and start the Blizzard 3 at the end of Astral Fire.
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  9. #619
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    1311 on A1S with no Ninja and 3 jumps . i201. figured out the secret :P

    http://i.imgur.com/MoWi8Zr.png
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    Last edited by OneWingedSora; 08-28-2015 at 04:29 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OneWingedSora View Post
    1311 on A1S with no Ninja and 3 jumps . i201. figured out the secret :P

    http://i.imgur.com/MoWi8Zr.png
    Group DPS > Personal Stat Padding.
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