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  1. #581
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neophyter View Post
    In your guide, why is the middle opener's F3 only at 192 potency when the first opener's F3 is at 240 potency?
    Damn, I made a small mistake. Thanks for pointing ;o it doesn't change anything overall really but it's good to fix. I'll update.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sleigh View Post
    Snip.
    TC with 18 sec DoT is equal to 710 - 240 = 470 Potency.
    Fire IV is 504 Potency

    470/2.5 = 188 PPS
    504/3 = 168 PPS

    Where are you getting 201.6 PPS on F4?
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    Last edited by Aikaal; 08-26-2015 at 06:47 AM.

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    Cheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeen.

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    Yoshi-P is doing his best and is patching Endwalker. Please wait warmly until it is ready.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aikaal View Post
    Damn, I made a small mistake. Thanks for pointing ;o it doesn't change anything overall really but it's good to fix. I'll update.



    TC with 18 sec DoT is equal to 710 - 240 = 470 Potency.
    Fire IV is 504 Potency

    470/2.5 = 188 PPS
    504/3 = 168 PPS

    Where are you getting 201.6 PPS on F4?
    Good question, you are correct. Not sure what I plugged in for that one.

    Still doesn't change the DoT tick + F4 potencies I'm getting all bent out of shape about, the whole point is, 18s TC not being better than F4 because it's as if you're saying the current DoT wouldn't exist on the F4's. It's clipping a DoT with a DoT at a point where instead of using filler that does less damage, you're doing a DoT and missing out on DoT + filler. Plain and simple.

    This is like arguing to use Bio at 9s left instead of Ruin + letting Bio live out its life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aikaal View Post
    Damn, I made a small mistake. Thanks for pointing ;o it doesn't change anything overall really but it's good to fix. I'll update.



    TC with 18 sec DoT is equal to 710 - 240 = 470 Potency.
    Fire IV is 504 Potency

    470/2.5 = 188 PPS
    504/3 = 168 PPS

    Where are you getting 201.6 PPS on F4?
    Anytime. Plus, I think Sleigh accidentally divided 504 by 2.5 seconds and not 3 seconds
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  5. #585
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sleigh View Post
    Good question, you are correct. Not sure what I plugged in for that one.

    Still doesn't change the DoT tick + F4 potencies I'm getting all bent out of shape about, the whole point is, 18s TC not being better than F4 because it's as if you're saying the current DoT wouldn't exist on the F4's. It's clipping a DoT with a DoT at a point where instead of using filler that does less damage, you're doing a DoT and missing out on DoT + filler. Plain and simple.

    This is like arguing to use Bio at 9s left instead of Ruin + letting Bio live out its life.
    I completely agree with that xD

    I made a small section you shouldn't use 2 TC procs in your Astral Fire. It's better to use 1 proc per session of Astral Fire and Umbral Ice and if you do it this way you'll never clip with a odd 18 seconds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sleigh View Post
    the whole point is, 18s TC not being better than F4
    That's about where the dps is about even, but it's not when you should be using it. Unless the mob dies within 20 seconds or so, the thundercloud proc will always be a dps boost if you use it during any of the following times:
    • After thunder has worn off the mob
    • When used on a mob without your thunder on it to begin with
    • When it doesn't mean you have to give up a F4
    • When you have to move for mechanics
    • When the thundercloud timer is under 3 seconds
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  7. #587
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    I feel kinda like I must be missing something basic and fundamental as to why we'd ever want to Swiftcast Flare over F4 on a single target.
    In the second rotation in the video, assuming you get a Firestarter proc to cover your SC, both would be cast in the same 1 GCD window and F4 would have 20 more base potency than Flare in that ~2.4 second timeframe.

    While flare gains more from the Swiftcast(-1.5 seconds give or take) than F4(-.5 seconds) in the end that SCFlare GCD would still be doing less potency than a SCF4 given they're both in the same GCD.
    ...I think. Is there some obvious modifier I'm forgetting or not seeing?
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    Question why does Blm gear have so much accuracy its really annoying
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    Quote Originally Posted by derplolherp View Post
    I feel kinda like I must be missing something basic and fundamental as to why we'd ever want to Swiftcast Flare over F4 on a single target.
    In the second rotation in the video, assuming you get a Firestarter proc to cover your SC, both would be cast in the same 1 GCD window and F4 would have 20 more base potency than Flare in that ~2.4 second timeframe.

    While flare gains more from the Swiftcast(-1.5 seconds give or take) than F4(-.5 seconds) in the end that SCFlare GCD would still be doing less potency than a SCF4 given they're both in the same GCD.
    ...I think. Is there some obvious modifier I'm forgetting or not seeing?
    Flare gives AF stacks whereas F4 doesn't.

    At least i think that's the reason why you want to flare over fire 4.

    EDIT: okay, I take that back. The swift flare could be due to mana issues and the fact that you don't have enough mana for a F4 but have enough for a flare.
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    Last edited by Neophyter; 08-26-2015 at 12:33 PM.

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    Aikaal, do you have a video of that 1.3k A1S ? That's pretty impressive.
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