Black Mage Sanctuary - A Guide to DPS

[Waliel]

This site is where I got my info from. This one makes the most sense to me due to the increasing diminishing returns, but I never really tested this myself.

It's 40%, 60%, 80%.

That page is so wrong it's making me cry. Someone fix it, as I'm too lazy to create an account.

I have a thought, wouldn't fire IV under leylines be stronger than Thundercloud proc under leylines? So that means while leylines are up, would thunderproc be a dps lost?

Stronger in a sense that you can fit on more spells before your TC drops. A full TC is still almost 200 potency more per GCD than F4 and Ley also drops the "cast time" of your TC proc, so they stay roughly the same.

[StouterTaru]

I have a thought, wouldn't fire IV under leylines be stronger than Thundercloud proc under leylines? So that means while leylines are up, would thunderproc be a dps lost?

It's more complex than that. Often that thundercloud proc means dropping to UI early to refresh enochain, so the dps comparison is roughly the dps of one spell vs the other.

With ley lines, you should be able to fit in that thundercloud without dropping out of AF early, so the comparison is the dps of thundercloud vs the dps of your entire rotation, which is around 330 potency per GCD. Thundercloud beats that without any procs.

[Neophyter]

It's 40%, 60%, 80%.

That page is so wrong it's making me cry. Someone fix it, as I'm too lazy to create an account.

It's 80%, just tested it to make sure nothing changed

Surprising to see the lack of good info on the Interwebs.

[Niryco]

Stronger in a sense that you can fit on more spells before your TC drops. A full TC is still almost 200 potency more per GCD than F4 and Ley also drops the "cast time" of your TC proc, so they stay roughly the same.

It's more complex than that. Often that thundercloud proc means dropping to UI early to refresh enochain, so the dps comparison is roughly the dps of one spell vs the other.

With ley lines, you should be able to fit in that thundercloud without dropping out of AF early, so the comparison is the dps of thundercloud vs the dps of your entire rotation, which is around 330 potency per GCD. Thundercloud beats that without any procs.

Well i just did some simple checking and what you guys say is true, the pps gain from a single FIV vs thundercloud is negligible while in ley.

i have 694 ss and without ley lines, FIV has a cast time of 2.84 and recast of 2.37, thundercloud would be 2.37 recast.

on a standard cast, FIV would have 1.8 x 280 / 2.84 = 177.5pps
Thundercloud proc would be 390/2.37 = 164.6 pps

With ley lines , recast time is 2.01 for both and 2.41 for fireIV
FIV 1.8x280 /2.41 = 209.1
Thunder cloud proc 390/2.01 = 194

The difference in pps is abour 1 to 2. >.> oh well.

[Aikaal]

By the way, are you guys aware that even if you clip 6 DoTs of Thunder. Let's say you use a proc when you have 18 secs left on a mob, it's 710 Potency - 240 potency. It's equal 470 Potency and it is still better than the Fire IV 504 Potency?

470/2.5 = 188 PPS
504/3 = 168 PPS

In other words, a F3P is more PPS than Fire IV. A 2.5 seconds Flare is more PPS than Fire IV and this is one of the main reasons why I worked on different openers (which I should release the infos later today)

[StouterTaru]

Well i just did some simple checking and what you guys say is true, the pps gain from a single FIV vs thundercloud is negligible while in ley.

Normal Rotation:

	P	M	P*M	GCD		
F3	240	0.7	168	1		
F4	280	1.8	504	1.2		
F4	280	1.8	504	1.2		
F1	180	1.8	324	1		
F4	280	1.8	504	1.2		
F4	280	1.8	504	1.2		
B3	240	0.7	168	1		
B4	280	1	280	1.2		
			2956	9	328.4444444	P/GCD

Rotation with Thundercloud instead of an F4, plus 4 ticks of DoT:

	P	M	P*M	GCD		
F3	240	0.7	168	1		
F4	280	1.8	504	1.2		
F4	280	1.8	504	1.2		
F1	180	1.8	324	1		
F4	280	1.8	504	1.2		
TC	550	1	550	1		
B3	240	0.7	168	1		
B4	280	1	280	1.2		
			3002	8.8	341.1363636	P/GCD

Rotation with Thundercloud and 4 ticks added in, which you should be able to do in Ley Lines:

	P	M	P*M	GCD		
F3	240	0.7	168	1		
F4	280	1.8	504	1.2		
F4	280	1.8	504	1.2		
F1	180	1.8	324	1		
F4	280	1.8	504	1.2		
F4	280	1.8	504	1.2		
TC	550	1	550	1		
B3	240	0.7	168	1		
B4	280	1	280	1.2		
			3506	10	350.6	P/GCD

You have 12 seconds to cast thundercloud, so you should be able to get 4 ticks in unless the mob is about to die.

[Niryco]

Normal Rotation:

	P	M	P*M	GCD		
F3	240	0.7	168	1		
F4	280	1.8	504	1.2		
F4	280	1.8	504	1.2		
F1	180	1.8	324	1		
F4	280	1.8	504	1.2		
F4	280	1.8	504	1.2		
B3	240	0.7	168	1		
B4	280	1	280	1.2		
			2956	9	328.4444444	P/GCD

Rotation with Thundercloud instead of an F4, plus 4 ticks of DoT:

	P	M	P*M	GCD		
F3	240	0.7	168	1		
F4	280	1.8	504	1.2		
F4	280	1.8	504	1.2		
F1	180	1.8	324	1		
F4	280	1.8	504	1.2		
TC	550	1	550	1		
B3	240	0.7	168	1		
B4	280	1	280	1.2		
			3002	8.8	341.1363636	P/GCD

Rotation with Thundercloud and 4 ticks added in, which you should be able to do in Ley Lines:

	P	M	P*M	GCD		
F3	240	0.7	168	1		
F4	280	1.8	504	1.2		
F4	280	1.8	504	1.2		
F1	180	1.8	324	1		
F4	280	1.8	504	1.2		
F4	280	1.8	504	1.2		
TC	550	1	550	1		
B3	240	0.7	168	1		
B4	280	1	280	1.2		
			3506	10	350.6	P/GCD

You have 12 seconds to cast thundercloud, so you should be able to get 4 ticks in unless the mob is about to die.

you are such a hardworking popoto taru thank you

By the way, are you guys aware that even if you clip 6 DoTs of Thunder. Let's say you use a proc when you have 18 secs left on a mob, it's 710 Potency - 240 potency. It's equal 470 Potency and it is still better than the Fire IV 504 Potency?

470/2.5 = 188 PPS
504/3 = 168 PPS

In other words, a F3P is more PPS than Fire IV. A 2.5 seconds Flare is more PPS than Fire IV and this is one of the main reasons why I worked on different openers (which I should release the infos later today)

but i thought you said you rather a rotation not be based around rng, let alone procs.

[Yukina_Kori]

Sorry if this has been mentioned before. What is the general consensus about BIS. This is what i have come up with i keep hearing from people in my static that crit should be higher than det. Can anyone comment on my bis or propose some changes.

http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/RFC1

[Hontaro]

If crit proves to be higher than det, then the Gordian Gloves are better than the Goetia ones. I'd prefer the Gordian Gloves too because 532 crit is awfully low imo.

[Primm]

My gloves will be chosen by rng. If they drop until I got the BiS esoteric gear I'll take Gordian, elsewise Goetia ...