Suggestion: Cover

[Domira]

Cover is situational, yes, but it's not useless in PVE.

Situational is never useful.

[RayneBoemir]

I like cover as is I just wish it could be used in more situations. I think the best usage in recent memory is preventing holy shield bash in a certain dungeon and let's not forget on earthshakers but that's old content.

[Seku]

Does that work? I was under the impression that defensive buffs mitigated damage targeted towards you, and in the case of Cover, didn't affect damage towards the person being covered. I'm positive I take damage when stacking Hallowed Ground with Cover

It works. Tested today when covering the MT on Floor 3 Alexander. Was pretty nice to mitigate some damage off of him since our DPS let some adds get into the water.

Not sure about other cool downs though.

[Wintersandman]

Situational is never useful.

How is situational not useful? There are even fewer times where I would want to use the proposed changes to it.

PLD finally feels like it has a complete toolkit. Sheltron, and even Divine Veil were nice additions. Saved several groups with Clemency and RA/GB are no brainers.

Cover is just one of those tools in a toolkit. It's like saying Holmgang is not useful as again it is situational.

[Domira]

How is situational not useful? There are even fewer times where I would want to use the proposed changes to it.

PLD finally feels like it has a complete toolkit. Sheltron, and even Divine Veil were nice additions. Saved several groups with Clemency and RA/GB are no brainers.

Cover is just one of those tools in a toolkit. It's like saying Holmgang is not useful as again it is situational.

But Holmgang has a definitive purpose, that can be applied to a variety of circumstances in both pve and pvp. Cover in comparison is very niche in pvp, there aren't many if any times that one needs to use cover. In pvp cover is a must since healers are the primary target. In pve this type of circumstance rarely happens since the tank maintains control over mobs. Maybe it would be a bit more useful if it could also redirect magic damage as well.

[GeekMatt]

Situational is never useful.

That's silly. It's a life-saving ability, how is saving the party from wiping not useful? I think what you mean to say is "situational skills are where player ability matters"

There are also planned applications for Cover, such as to avoid having to tank swap, or the aforementioned letting someone else (healer) gather mobs.

[Wintersandman]

But Holmgang has a definitive purpose, that can be applied to a variety of circumstances in both pve and pvp. Cover in comparison is very niche in pvp, there aren't many if any times that one needs to use cover. In pvp cover is a must since healers are the primary target. In pve this type of circumstance rarely happens since the tank maintains control over mobs. Maybe it would be a bit more useful if it could also redirect magic damage as well.

I have used Cover many times in PvE. We had a healer DC in the story mode trial. The main tank was getting hammered and the sole healer couldn't keep up with healing everyone. I was able to cover and clemency without having to tank swap. It took far less coordination on the fly and it was able to keep the group going. This is just an example and other people in this thread have provided their own. I have used Holmgang far less than Cover.

[Wournsfeik_Untawhasyn]

But Holmgang has a definitive purpose, that can be applied to a variety of circumstances in both pve and pvp. Cover in comparison is very niche in pvp, there aren't many if any times that one needs to use cover. In pvp cover is a must since healers are the primary target. In pve this type of circumstance rarely happens since the tank maintains control over mobs. Maybe it would be a bit more useful if it could also redirect magic damage as well.

Right, and in the same vein Cover has a definitive use. Or did you not bothering reading the last whole page of posts? I mean, that would be silly right, all these Paladins naming perfectly viable uses for their skill and you just know so much more than their own applications.

Give up man, it doesn't matter how many times your repeat it, evidence doesn't support you.

[Domira]

Right, and in the same vein Cover has a definitive use. Or did you not bothering reading the last whole page of posts? I mean, that would be silly right, all these Paladins naming perfectly viable uses for their skill and you just know so much more than their own applications.

Give up man, it doesn't matter how many times your repeat it, evidence doesn't support you.

Just because I do not agree with you or anyone here about Cover being useful, doesn't mean I did not read the experiences of others or even respect their opinion. The examples they provided I already knew about, but this doesn't change my opinion that the skill isn't that great in pve due to how often its utilized.

[Khalithar]

@OP that sounds like an idea for a new Pld raid cooldown that wouldn't necessarily be a bad one. WoW's paladin had a simialr move, but it also had a secondary effect where once the pld took 40 or 50% (I forget the exact number) of their max hp, it ended prematurely, that would stop it from being an instant death on the paladin.

As for Cover, it's situational and an ability I rarely find myself needing, there are only two situations where I use cover with any regularity:

Saving someone that fails to get behind the icicle in Slowcloak, it saves them from Fenrir's Bite attack that he follows up with to finish off whoever gets frozen but you can only do it once or twice before the fight is over. The second time is in Fractal when you're dpsing the node that spawns adds, I usually just pop Cover on the healer as the adds get close so I can absorb the first few stray hits while I round up everything.