Suggestion: Cover

[Wournsfeik_Untawhasyn]

Cover is only good in pvp. I think the OP is asking for it to be changed to Testudo, which is PLDs pvp only skill.

Huh... that's funny. I could've sworn I've used cover effectively in PVE... guess I didn't save any white mages or dps from being Dalamud Dived when a healer had failed to get me any healing when I was tanking the green golem prior to boulder clap.

And Cover must've completely failed to save that Warrior I protected from Bahamut's autoattack post Holmgang Akh Morn whilst I took control of the fight back.

And let's not forget the time I totally watched Captain Madison ignore cover when I was sparing the healer from his bullets when that DPS check mattered.

Hell, I certainly don't use it while Provoke is on cooldown to prevent incoming damage on a DPS that accidentally pulled a patrolling monster while I bring said monster in line. (This doesn't happen often, but I feel like a boss when I get to do this)

Cover is situational, yes, but it's not useless in PVE.

[GeekMatt]

Snip.

Then there's eating tank busters as an OT, or covering that poor newbie WHM that decided it was ok to continue to stand in front if Titan after the party stacked for an AoE.

[Wournsfeik_Untawhasyn]

Then there's eating tank busters as an OT, or covering that poor newbie WHM that decided it was ok to continue to stand in front if Titan after the party stacked for an AoE.

Or when you want to use Bulwark to recover TP in a long drawn out fight as an OT. So you cover the MT and start shield swiping. Used that trick to Pacify Ifrit HM after he'd gotten Stun Immunity.

[GeekMatt]

Or when you want to use Bulwark to recover TP in a long drawn out fight as an OT. So you cover the MT and start shield swiping. Used that trick to Pacify Ifrit HM after he'd gotten Stun Immunity.

Does that work? I was under the impression that defensive buffs mitigated damage targeted towards you, and in the case of Cover, didn't affect damage towards the person being covered. I'm positive I take damage when stacking Hallowed Ground with Cover

[Wournsfeik_Untawhasyn]

Does that work? I was under the impression that defensive buffs mitigated damage targeted towards you, and in the case of Cover, didn't affect damage towards the person being covered. I'm positive I take damage when stacking Hallowed Ground with Cover

Some damage seems to just bypass Hallowed Ground, like a bosses super attack. I believe incoming damage from Cover fits in the same category. But you can use most of your cooldowns to help mitigate it otherwise. Like Brannigan said, if the subject of cover is facing forward you can and will block, so this can be used to get Shield Swipe procs off your MT if your healers are ready for you to suddenly take some damage. In addition, I believe Awareness can prevent you from taking extra critical damage.

Also, been using that trick to cover Healers when adds pop up. That takes a load off my mind during certain add spawns.

[Seku]

Does that work? I was under the impression that defensive buffs mitigated damage targeted towards you, and in the case of Cover, didn't affect damage towards the person being covered. I'm positive I take damage when stacking Hallowed Ground with Cover

It works. Tested today when covering the MT on Floor 3 Alexander. Was pretty nice to mitigate some damage off of him since our DPS let some adds get into the water.

Not sure about other cool downs though.

[Domira]

Cover is situational, yes, but it's not useless in PVE.

Situational is never useful.

[Wintersandman]

Situational is never useful.

How is situational not useful? There are even fewer times where I would want to use the proposed changes to it.

PLD finally feels like it has a complete toolkit. Sheltron, and even Divine Veil were nice additions. Saved several groups with Clemency and RA/GB are no brainers.

Cover is just one of those tools in a toolkit. It's like saying Holmgang is not useful as again it is situational.

[Domira]

How is situational not useful? There are even fewer times where I would want to use the proposed changes to it.

PLD finally feels like it has a complete toolkit. Sheltron, and even Divine Veil were nice additions. Saved several groups with Clemency and RA/GB are no brainers.

Cover is just one of those tools in a toolkit. It's like saying Holmgang is not useful as again it is situational.

But Holmgang has a definitive purpose, that can be applied to a variety of circumstances in both pve and pvp. Cover in comparison is very niche in pvp, there aren't many if any times that one needs to use cover. In pvp cover is a must since healers are the primary target. In pve this type of circumstance rarely happens since the tank maintains control over mobs. Maybe it would be a bit more useful if it could also redirect magic damage as well.

[Wintersandman]

But Holmgang has a definitive purpose, that can be applied to a variety of circumstances in both pve and pvp. Cover in comparison is very niche in pvp, there aren't many if any times that one needs to use cover. In pvp cover is a must since healers are the primary target. In pve this type of circumstance rarely happens since the tank maintains control over mobs. Maybe it would be a bit more useful if it could also redirect magic damage as well.

I have used Cover many times in PvE. We had a healer DC in the story mode trial. The main tank was getting hammered and the sole healer couldn't keep up with healing everyone. I was able to cover and clemency without having to tank swap. It took far less coordination on the fly and it was able to keep the group going. This is just an example and other people in this thread have provided their own. I have used Holmgang far less than Cover.