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  1. #201
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    Tonrak Totorak
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    I'd say either Yda or Papalymo. Both come as a set, so you can't have one without the other and their banter with each other pretty much contributes to their personality.

    If I were to choose, I'd choose to kill off Papalymo since we already have 2 serious mages (Urianger and Y'shtola) It'll be interesting to see how Yda will act since it seems she relies a lot on Papalymo to do most of the things
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  2. #202
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    J'talhdi Belhi
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    Quote Originally Posted by Calypsx View Post
    I don't like giving Minfillia a free pass when it comes to combat. The leaders of both Gridania and Limsa are both very powerful in their own right and Uldah has Raubahn. Also Alphinaud has shown he can hold his own if needed.

    As a leader of a group based on fighting the primal threat she needs to have some capability of fighting herself since we can't always be there to save her. What if she get attacked by an assassin or gets kidnapped again? Dangerous things can happen to a leader and they need to be prepared as much as possible. Not saying she needs to be as powerful as the other Scions but she needs something.

    It also would help players respect her a little more. There's a reason the other leaders are looked more highly upon than her by the playerbase.
    Nanamo is liked by the player base and she probably cant fight her way out of a paper bag. Likewise, Lolorito never showed any fighting potential and while not one of our leaders, his leadership skills have made him one of the most wealthy, and formidable political opponents we have.

    As for if Minfilia was attacked again, this is why I'd like to see some of her old skillset shown. Minfilia survived years of being hunted by the Garlean secret service. There are ways to avoid assassins and kidnapping beyond being a skilled combatant.

    Also to be fair, in the first case where she was kidnapped it was done by Garleans and everyone was taken. Fighting there wouldn't have helped much. The second time it was an Ascian and almost certainly the rest of the Scions would be just as screwed if a Ascian decided to haul them off. Unless Minfilia was on par with us in skill she probably would have ended up taken anyway.
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  3. #203
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tenkuu View Post
    As for Minfilia, see my above comment in the same reply. Also, don't misuse the term Mary Sue, it only applies to author-created characters in fanfics.
    While Mary Sue may be the wrong term to use, it is certainly the case that the original author can give one or more of their characters most or all of the traits that Mary Sues are infamous and despised for. Tvtropes refers to such characters as "Canon Sues". While I don't personally agree with the assessment, it is certainly within Anyan's rights to accuse Minfilia of being a Canon Sue.
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  4. #204
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    Quote Originally Posted by Belhi View Post
    Nanamo is liked by the player base and she probably cant fight her way out of a paper bag.
    However she has Raubahn who pretty much never leaves her side and acts as a leader himself at times, they balance each other out in a way. Minfillia doesn't really have much, she doesn't have the charm of Nanamo or the power of Raubahn. The leaders of Gridania and Limsa have both those traits which makes them more respected as leaders.

    Minfillia just isn't very inspiring and just really hasn't done anything interesting... I'm not surprised the playerbase doesn't seem to like her much. I really hope she's a little more interesting the next time we see her but if not I would rather see her gone.
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    Last edited by Calypsx; 11-03-2015 at 12:05 AM.

  5. #205
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    Etoile Kallera
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    Quote Originally Posted by Calypsx View Post
    Uldah also has Raubahn who pretty much never leaves her side and acts as a leader himself at times. I say those two both fill the same spot. Minfillia doesn't really have much, she doesn't have the charm of Nanamo or the power of Raubahn. The leaders of Gridania and Limsa have both those traits which makes them more respected as leaders.

    Minfillia just isn't very inspiring and just... really hasn't done much...
    For being a manager, Minfillia also adheres to some inefficient practices. "Hello <player name>. Can you stop by the rising stones? I have something to talk to you about that cannot be mentioned on this Private Linkshell I got made for this type of situation." This starts to get more noticable when the crew ends up late and the primal summoning happens, among other things.

    I think the proper term for Minfillia is The Wesley. A character clearly made by SE to be likable and have fan service, but the general feeling of her from the fanbase is considerably negative.
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    Last edited by Kallera; 11-03-2015 at 04:58 AM.

  6. #206
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    If Minfilia returs better she accept her fail as leader and makes Alphinau the new antecedent.
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  7. #207
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frederick22 View Post
    If Minfilia returs better she accept her fail as leader and makes Alphinau the new antecedent.
    So you want to replace one person because of a failure she can be partially argued to have some responsibility for with a leader who has the lion's share of the fault for that failure.

    I wouldn't personally mind it. It would allow Minfilia to get out and be developed more. Alphinaud can be stuck in the office doing paperwork for a while.
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  8. #208
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    Quote Originally Posted by Belhi View Post
    So you want to replace one person because of a failure she can be partially argued to have some responsibility for with a leader who has the lion's share of the fault for that failure.

    I wouldn't personally mind it. It would allow Minfilia to get out and be developed more. Alphinaud can be stuck in the office doing paperwork for a while.
    You very well that wast Alphinau's full fault, even if he think it was ortherside. Yes he had control over the Crystal Braves but Minfilia was the leader. If Alphinau couldnt see what was happening, it was her resposability to let it happened and didnt see anything. I know, she had full trust on him, but thats not how a leader acts I think, you need to always check what orthers are doing, just in case there is flaw.
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  9. #209
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    Quote Originally Posted by Calypsx View Post
    Minfillia just isn't very inspiring and just really hasn't done anything interesting...
    All I got from her through the entire MSQ is that she's the busty, blonde damsel in distress we as heroes in shining crystal armor will have to rescue over and over.

    Our princess peach if you will. She's even wearing pink. All that was missing to make the reference perfect is Tataru telling us the antecedent is in another castrum.

    So yeah, I'm kinda happy she's gone for now.
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  10. #210
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    J'talhdi Belhi
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    Its worth remembering the first clue that lead us to a method of killing Ascians was her discovery in 2.2. Urianger built off what she had observed and figured out on the nature of Ascian souls from watching the Sahagin Elder who had the Echo.

    Even if we ignore the unglamorous management role she played its not exactly accurate to say she has done nothing. And she as only needed rescuing twice which is only one more than most of the other Scions.
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    Last edited by Belhi; 11-03-2015 at 09:04 PM.

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