Kind of wishing Bards had kept Healer LB.

[PlumpyMcduff]

Bard-design is suffering identity crisis.

Is it a DPS-Support, is it a Support-DPS, is it a DPS/Support, is it merely a DPS... SE doesn't even know.

WM was shoehorned in, it's clunky & doesn't mesh well with BRD's design.

They stole our free-mobility away which was the beloved niche of the Job to a great many.

They added phenomenal utility/support options to other Jobs yet only we get punished for ours (even when it's disabled!).

They try to appease us by giving us a "DPS Mode" stance ability which still doesn't bring us up to par with BLM/SMN when our songs are off.

Not only that, Yoshi-P even considers us a Support yet removes our Healer LB.

Identity Crisis. BRD needs heavy revision.

[Adire]

Bard-design is suffering identity crisis.

Is it a DPS-Support, is it a Support-DPS, is it a DPS/Support, is it merely a DPS... WM was shoehorned in, it's clunky & doesn't mesh well with BRD's design.

They stole our mobility away which was the beloved niche of the Job to a great many.

They added phenomenal utility/support options to other Jobs yet only we get punished for ours.

Even Yoshi calls us a Support yet they try to appease us by giving us a "DPS Mode" stance ability which still doesn't bring us up to par with BLM/SMN when our songs are off.

Not only that, they consider us a Support yet remove our Healer LB.

Identity Crisis. BRD needs heavy revision.

I'll miss the days of Bards being able to save groups from wipes. Now they just get a very narrow, low damage LB.

[LionKing]

Indeed, I miss the day where you ended up having 2 BRd in a 4 man Duns. And when I asked for LB, realised we had 2 Brds, oh..shit!!!

[WellFooled]

Hopefully. I don't see why, if bards insist on using LB, that they've been waiting until the fewest amount of enemies possible are alive :x

If they know how AoE works, they should know a single target LB is best against a single target. Seems a lot of people don't. There shouldn't be a learning curve there.

I find that If the way you treat other people is motivated chiefly by efficiency than you will never be happy and neither will the people around you. Different people have different ways of playing, different ways of thinking, and differing levels of ability, but always, without fail, no one is perfect. Life goes more smoothly by overlooking the little things than it does by getting the limit breaks just right.

[PlumpyMcduff]

Honestly... Archer should split into Bard or Ranger, with Bard getting a rework.

[Yurimi]

How many melee have I seen sit on the LB2/3 until they think its going to be enough to kill the boss (or just plain ignored that it exists) when they could have used it at any safe point before then rather than use it and complain they died because they were animation locked (and trust me you get those parties every once in a while where you probably could get 2+ LB's off)... Anyone can misuse the LB doesnt make it right but making it seem like you feel this is a bard or machinist issue isnt going to change the fact your going to occasionally get one of THOSE players regardless of class or LB type so brush it off and move on

[nuyu11]

Honestly... Archer should split into Bard or Ranger, with Bard getting a rework.

Agree 100%....

[PlumpyMcduff]

I'm also mad the phys. ranged LB was designed as yet another plainly damaging LB.

Should've been like a raid-wide haste or something.

15/22.5/30% reduced recast times for 8 seconds at 50% reduced MP/TP costs? Mayhaps with 10/15/20% increased movement speed as well!

Rough figures, but you get the idea... they could've been so much more creative.

[MisterLucie]

The only time this would be an issue at all would be in a random unorganized pug, where the content is typically so easy that what role uses their LB doesn't even matter anyways. Why is it an issue? The old bard LB was useless 99% of the time anyways, at least this one can be put to use in an organized group.

[Kolaina]

Indeed, I miss the day where you ended up having 2 BRd in a 4 man Duns. And when I asked for LB, realised we had 2 Brds, oh..shit!!!

then maybe a better implementation of a damage LB to brd would to have it stay healer lb for full party content where it benefits from the LB3 rez, and for light party to have it as a damage LB where as LB3 can not be achieved in this content. then again the limit break in any light party content is mere convenience and only shaves seconds off an encounter. half the time its unnecessary or goes unused