I chose BRD for swift gameplay, if I wanted to cast I would have chosen a Mage.

[Musashidon]

Having strong opinions on something but no knowledge on it is bad enough. Adding a "I'm right, you're wrong!" mentality only harms your case. Especially when you can't even prove what makes you "right."

you mean exactly what you're doing but with proof?!

because i have.

Not arguing. I quite literally stated the obvious. I'm not arguing with you, stating "You're a 24 Archer."

Just telling you what you are.

i was just saying it does absolutely nothing for you

Cute that you're trying to grasp at straws by the way.

actually i am not as i have argued my case and the only rebuttal is you aren't 60 like me.

[Raiker]

you mean exactly what you're doing but with proof?!

because i have.

Your proof lies with a singular video, of a bard, on a level 50 striking dummy, jumping from ladder to ladder like a circus animal.

This is coming from a level 24 Archer.

[Musashidon]

Your proof lies with a singular video, of a bard, on a level 50 striking dummy, jumping from ladder to ladder like a circus animal.

This is coming from a level 24 Archer.

once again you use level 24 archer as your go to as if that disproves the video.

[Intellion]

you mean exactly what you're doing but with proof?!

because i have.

You have proof?

Being a Lv 24 Archer is not "proof." Try again.

Saying that "You can't prove me wrong!" when you haven't even proven yourself "right" is not "proof." Try again.


Allow me to elaborate:

You have no credibility. You are not right, unless you prove otherwise with hard experience, numbers, and so on. Your claims are effectively null-and-void.

Good day! Come back again soon when you actually learn how to "Bard!"

[loreleidiangelo]

I...am having a difficult time trying to understand the contradictory positions being posted in this thread. On the one hand, bards are saying that they don't like Minuet and having cast times added to their moves, which I get. The simplest solution would then be to not USE Minuet, but then posters gripe that they're not doing maximum DPS that way, to which the obvious response would be, "well yes, that's the trade off for losing your vastly superior mobility, do you think it's fair that you can run circles around mechanics while most (if not all) other jobs are penalized?", to which posters are THEN saying, "it's not about the DPS, it's about the playstyle", which...takes us back to the beginning of the argument again.

If the general feeling was, "we want BRD DPS to scale proportionately from level 50 to 60 without fundamentally changing our gameplay", then I'd assume it does without using Minuet (though the Barrage change might be a nerf outside of Minuet; idk). But it seems like people wanted a DPS increase while still maintaining superior mobility, which seems a bit imbalanced to me.

Can a BRD main possibly clarify what exactly it is that they're looking for, to me?

[Bhuni]

'I'm level 60, I'm level 60, I'm level 60'.
Let's face it the real good Bards aren't crying over not being able to do cartwheels around the boss doing their full rotation, now you have to dodge AOE like everyone else *Gasp*
Either adapt to the playstyle or expect to get kicked when tanks/healers are doing more DPS than you because you wanna run around with ants in your pants and not use the tools given to you.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

Let me add (typing from my phone, so no editing), that no, I don't yet have Bard to 60, nor do I need it to know what I'm talking about. Having never moved much outside of mechanical-necessity, Minuet would NOT be a huge game changer for me. And no, I DON'T even have Minuet yet, but I did the 30-60 MCH, so yes I got the "complete fundamental change" at one point too. . . Nothing changed at all. Took some adjusting to, naturally, but largely what I do, and how I do it is still the same.

Perhaps it's due to having leveled healers and casters, or just a generally good sense of adaptation? Still, don't discredit someone simply for not being that job, not when their job is built on your "complete fundamental change".

[Musashidon]

snip

as said earlier repeating this over and over doesn't help your case

[Gallus]

Here's the thing guys, BRD will most likely keep being that mandatory job every static wants to have (at least one). It has too many raid wide tools that bring too much onto the table, and for reference... our BRD pulls around 900-1k damage in most alexander fights, that's just very damn high given the utility and extra caster damage (foe) it brings. You can choose between a BLM and a SMN (SMN prob being in a sweeter spot atm), a MNK, DRG and a NIN (DRG being in a sweeter spot atm) but between BRD and MCH? I don't think there is even contest...

So...I feel you guys will keep being mandatory. Imo jobs like MNK, DRK, MCH or even BLM have many more reasons to be less happy than BRDs in 3.0.

[Melinabean0]

well, no surprise that ffxiv's community is going to the dumps with condescending and sanctimonious people like you around acting all high and mighty just because your class ain't affected.

This comment here, is just killing me. Like most of the Bards here are not being just as rude and ridiculous, even cursing at people. Don't act like he's the only one being condescending because he's really not.

I may or may not touch on the changes to Bard in a bit if I feel like it. I'm not sure I will though since any Bards who enjoy the changes, like myself, you ignore and anyone who doesn't have Bard to 60, you also ignore. I'm only at 59, so does that make my opinion invalid too?

You say this is a discussion but it's not. You can have discussions with people even if they don't main the job. Maybe they have talked about it extensively with people in their static who do, maybe they're commenting on an alt. You don't know.

But that's enough for now.