To all 3.0 Tanks

**Skypirate** · 07-09-2015 11:10 AM

Originally Posted by Jamez82

I only pull like that when I'm with my friends cause I know they can handle it.

Those who do it with random DF's are crazy and just looking for a fight.

Most I meet in DF are low on dps, terrible on healing, and just plain ignore the important mechanics.

Yeah that's pretty much How i was on that pull I linked. I Was partied with my friends and it was my first time in that dungeon and they assured me that I would be fine pulling the next pull LOL. So I grabbed the Juggernaut without popping any buffs. Ofc I know now that I need to be more cautious but I would never goof around like that with Randoms.

**nuyu11** · 07-09-2015 11:17 AM

I'm not sure about big pull.. 3.0 just started and all gear still new and not high tier yet.

**Cyrus-Wallace** · 07-09-2015 01:16 PM

WHAT? PULL MORE? OK.

**Superskull85** · 07-09-2015 01:23 PM

At the same time don't ask for big pulls if you can't actually handle big pulls either.

**Kahnom** · 07-09-2015 01:43 PM

Whenever Tank vs Healer,
Two DPS starting to grab popcorns.

**Swordphobic** · 07-09-2015 02:04 PM

Doing big pulls is fine, as long as your HEALER AND TANK are geared.

**RyuDragnier** · 07-09-2015 02:12 PM

Originally Posted by Swordphobic

Doing big pulls is fine, as long as your HEALER AND TANK are geared.

And if the DPS is good. If it isn't good, the healer WILL run out of MP.

**Xensai** · 07-09-2015 03:38 PM

You will honestly see a lot of this because a lot of people are trying out tanks for the first time many say its the easiest role in the game. They put on their Axe,Great sword or Shield/sword and are ready to take on the world only to be mauled by 6 mobs because they didnt use a CD followed by shout that the healer didnt heal them its going to happen here is my advice

1) if its your first time tanking big pulls use your CD's you have them for a reason
2) make sure your healer is up to speed
3) check your DPS gear cause if stuff going to die really slow big pulls are not your friend

for you healers i say this
1) If you want the tank to do 2-3 mobs at a time learn to DPS a tank really shouldnt need 100% cure uptime you can throw in a sneaky stone III or get those DoTs out especially if you dont want them pulling more then 1 pack at a time
2) You have buffs and CD's also that increase healing

and in closing you should always just do what the group is comfortable with

**Radacci** · 07-09-2015 04:22 PM

most of the dungeons in HW, have gates, so you can't pull *to much* usually. i'm not main healer, and havn't tried healing any HW stuff yet, but it always amazed me in ARR, how any healer could fail at speedruns. well the be fair, i found WHM to be really sucky, so i couldn't do SR with WHM, but with SCH it was so easy. and i was tanking in speedruns, and other WHM did it perfectly fine.
i tanked for semi large pulls, in HW, and some average geared healers, have kept me up just fine on my DRK, so i don't understand why some overgeared healers can't, or why ppl are whining about DRK being squishy...you got like 5 def CD (counting war cross-class) dark dance is like 50% chance to dodge with dark arts, and dark passenger that can blind all mobs, with dark arts, so basically most of the mobs won't even hit you, for 20sec - it's crazy if healers can't keep up with all that.
Ofc DPS matter too, since if the fight draws out to much, tank will loose CDs, and healers will run out of MP; there's an awful lot of awful players, in DF, these days.
I usually feel the healer, out, before i start pulling more - often they seem to have problem healing me, even on the first 2-mob-pull!! so i'm just nope...not pulling more than that.
I mean, if healers could just do their job, and heal, instead of wannabee DPS, it would be easier for tank to know how much they can safely pull - then again, if you get 2 melee, there's not much reason to pull large groups.

**sirDarts** · 07-09-2015 07:17 PM

Originally Posted by Radacci

*snip*

It really depends.
Yesterday I was running Sastasha HM with my i150+ SCH, the whole time before the DRK was speedrunning, and all was fine. Then he pulled the whole last room before Kraken. He was decently geared as well, but I just couldn't keep up with the damage, by the time my Physic finished casting, he has lost more HP than it could have healed him for, unless it crit. I even spent all my Aetherflow stacks on Lustrate. And yet he still died. No idea if he was using his CDs wrong, or dodging the AoE wrong, or if I did something wrong (though there was not much more I could have done, Eye for an Eye would have helped, sure, but I HAD to heal on CD because he would have died anyways, there was no not-casting downtime).
So yeah, sometimes it just doesn't work.

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