Speed Runs Suck

[Nova_Dresden]

If a tank wipes us pulling too much, I definitely don't get mad. Good on you for pushing yourself. You're trying to improve everyone in the group.

If you pull one pack at a time, I will pull for you, tank things myself,and eventually initiate a vote kick.

We as a community need to breed better players. The average skill level of ffxiv players is horrifyingly low. Pushing yourself is the only way to improve.

I'll meet you at the 300 threads about nerfing content because shitters can't handle it.

Actually, what you're describing is why we don't have better players. Mass pulling and "burn baby, burn" creates the bad players, not the good ones. It might help improve a tank on learning threat control and damage mitigation, or a healer on keeping everyone alive. For a DPS however all it does is create AoE happy bad players. And when harder dungeons come out the reason why people cry for nerfs is because they can't mass pull and burn at first. If you train people to burn down 30 things at once instead speed killing smaller groups then you have to break that mindset and get them to play correctly when needed for harder gameplay.

[Geist]

Actually, what you're describing is why we don't have better players. Mass pulling and "burn baby, burn" creates the bad players, not the good ones.

Agreed.
What's more, the average trash mob in Heavensward comes with a marked increase in both HP and damage output in comparison to its ARR counterparts: the party should first gauge how much they can handle.

Optimizing strategies and prioritizing hits, especially in a DF environment, sounds like the reasonable way to go -- quality versus quantity. No DPS loss either, since you're simply deploying your firepower in a more efficient fashion.

[Malevicton]

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you could easily flip that around though. If players only ever do ST rotations then they'll "get bad" at AoE. Dungeons are there for you to apply your skills, not learn them.

And people didn't call nerfs on PS for hard trash, they called nerfs on the bosses. People were fine with the trash, and that's the only real example.

You have an idea of "play correctly" that is more of a personal preference. Which is fine, until you start telling other people they're wrong because of it.

[Staris]

Actually, what you're describing is why we don't have better players. Mass pulling and "burn baby, burn" creates the bad players, not the good ones. It might help improve a tank on learning threat control and damage mitigation, or a healer on keeping everyone alive. For a DPS however all it does is create AoE happy bad players. And when harder dungeons come out the reason why people cry for nerfs is because they can't mass pull and burn at first. If you train people to burn down 30 things at once instead speed killing smaller groups then you have to break that mindset and get them to play correctly when needed for harder gameplay.

No and your bad if you think that.
The encounters are so pathetically easy the only challenge can be to min max it 2 seconds faster than your last speed run by improving group dps, and minimizing overhealing / tanking threat waste.
Both of which actually matter in progression raiding too.

The getting it done sooner is just a bonus.

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

Well I suppose that's the case if all you have to do to beat top end raids is mash your aoe key over and over.