Speed Runs Suck

[Metalwrath]

Unfortunatly due to players already being overgeared the letting the dps die strat doesn't work in ex roulette if the healer is backing them up.Both dungeons can be tanked by overgeared dps way too easily.I've seen it first hand when dps pulled before me every time and when i eventually got annoyed and stoped tanking the dps did the job fine because they had healer friend backing them up.Unless the healer is on your side and lets them eat dirt teaching dps a lesson for rush pulling doesn't work.And a lot of the time the healer won't care becuase they just want to get the ex roulette over in done with.This is the problem with having 2 boring dungeons with no gain other than eso once a day to run.

[fm_fenrir]

teaching dps a lesson

The thing is, if you're doing your role (tank) correctly, the DPS shouldn't be pulling things in the first place. You set the pace as tank, but as it turns out there actually three other people who get to vote on that pace too. Slow-rolling everything because you're new/shy and don't want to tell people that is terrible and any DPS who has the opportunity will immediately take over tanking duty from you, because it's infinitely more efficient to have a DPS pulling everything quickly than a VIT-stacked tank pulling one or two groups at a time. I had a DRK who was wearing 200 gear and slow-rolling fractal, it was torture as a DRG to see this guy pulling every group individually even though he had the HP and STR to group pull.

[Metalwrath]

The thing is, if you're doing your role (tank) correctly, the DPS shouldn't be pulling things in the first place. You set the pace as tank, but as it turns out there actually three other people who get to vote on that pace too. Slow-rolling everything because you're new/shy and don't want to tell people that is terrible and any DPS who has the opportunity will immediately take over tanking duty from you, because it's infinitely more efficient to have a DPS pulling everything quickly than a VIT-stacked tank pulling one or two groups at a time. I had a DRK who was wearing 200 gear and slow-rolling fractal, it was torture as a DRG to see this guy pulling every group individually even though he had the HP and STR to group pull.

Doing your role as a tank doesn't stop dps from being pricks.I've seen BLM nuke on pulls in Alex because they have the gear to survive a hit or 2.You can try to point blame on tank if you want but half the time these tanks aren't even pulling slow.It's just arrogant dps trying to force speed run on that healer with low mp or other dps and tank with low tp.Play tank and then you'll understand.

[Sayora]

I like to do bigger pulls as a tank, but I'll slow down if the healer can't handle it. If the DPS decides to pull on their own though I won't help them. If you want to go faster than say something.

As a DPS or Healer, I don't mind if a tank does smaller pulls even if they're geared. What bothers me is if they stand around for no reason before a boss for a solid 15-30 seconds. The one pull I won't do is that whole hallway after the first boss in Fractal, the one with the three mobs that have AoEs that need to be interrupted. That pull is a pain in that ass to me in DF.

[Februs]

As a DPS or Healer, I don't mind if a tank does smaller pulls even if they're geared. What bothers me is if they stand around for no reason before a boss for a solid 15-30 seconds. The one pull I won't do is that whole hallway after the first boss in Fractal, the one with the three mobs that have AoEs that need to be interrupted. That pull is a pain in that ass to me in DF.

When I run as Dps, I find it rage inducing to have a Tank who full stops before every boss or pull. I never say anything and try my best not to run ahead (sometimes they stop so suddenly that I get a few steps ahead of them and whoops...) because I know that everyone tanks at their own pace, but I seriously do not understand why some Tanks seem to have to stop and think for a full minute before they muster up the courage to start the fight. What the heck is the hold up??

Honestly, my best guess is that they're not real Tanks. I know that's gonna sound harsh, but there is a clear difference between people who Main Tank and people who just do it for ques or dabble in tanking. The main thing is the level of confidence. I know my moves inside and out. I know what kind of aggro I can manage, and I know how to best mitigate my incoming dmg (including by type) to make the healer's life easier. I also know every dungeon in the game front to back (I kinda wish there were mirrored or inverse versions of dungeons, actually). Part-time Tanks don't, and it shows most in how they hesitate.

I agree with that Fractal pull, too. I've only met one DF healer who could successfully heal that pull, even with HG. I'm sure that will change when the majority of the players are in antiquated or higher gear levels, but for now it's a no go unless the healer specifies that they can do it.

[SoricReisa]

I just started FFXIV a few months ago. I am a casual player. I prefer to tank or heal. I now Q as DPS because of speed runs.

To avoid this...
When tank I say that I'm new.
When heals I say that I'm new and when the tank pulls to much I ask that he pull less.
When DPS I flail along til the boss and ask if there's anything I need to do.

This has not been working, and I would like to tank more.

I have just been avoiding random Q's: but, sometimes I need a run for the main quest line. I am looking for suggestions about how to address these issues in a way that will work. I am not used to the arbitrary hate of new players that I have been experiencing in FFXIV, so I assume that there is something I am doing wrong when approaching the issue.

So now that it's been a few months since you were pretty green, do you get it yet? :')

[KiraKarea]

I personally like speedruns as a healer, it keeps me awake and it's one of the last things that gets me excited in a scripted dungeon I've already run like 1000 times and chances are I'm there just to get it done.

But not in a million years I would feel entitled to force anyone in the group to speedrun just because I like that for said reasons. You have to respect that other people might not be on the same page as you are. This is not a singleplayer game, the ultimate feel of accomplishment should come from team play experience. If you are pulling mobs (not even trying to communicate in chat) to show the tank and the rest of the group that YOU want to go faster, please, uninstall the game and go play Duke Nukem 3D.

[Iagainsti]

Necro Thread Activated!! Speed Runs Rule!! Seriously though, I do believe forcing ppl who can't handle/ not used to speed runs to do them is wrong and unefficient due to possible wipes, but Speed runs are a much faster farm and a way to challenge you an your friends with very linear content after you've done it too many times XD

[Immut]

Speedruns are just the way things are DONE. You either do a speedrun, or you're bad at the game. There is no in between. If you're not doing the speedrun strat, you are being inefficient. It's no different than seeing an "ice mage". And yes, healers, this means you are expected to DPS. Nobody wants to be in fractal for a half hour. You lose nothing by going faster. If you wipe, you ALSO lose nothing. So suck it up and get better at the game so they don't have to nerf dungeons even more.

[Fevelle]

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Bye Felicia