Is Selene all that?

[zuzu-bq]

While I don't want to point out dps numbers, I'd like to talk about the new Selene design.
First of all, AoE Esuna is great. It doesn't matter how situational is it, when you use it, it works. They merged the two dps buffs of selene into one, this meaning the down times of fight where Selene buff cds could get synched back won't happen anymore. Back on 2.x whenever a boss jumped to do something, most of times when he came back I had to chose either using Fey Glow or Few Light and sometimes I would use the same buff that was active when the boss had jumped, wasting a bit of Selene buffing potential and now she will always buff both dps together, this meaning if you put her on Sic, you'll now waste her buffs a lot.

The skill have been changed but in the end does almost the same thing: a haste-like effect. While I can't say if its better or not with numbers, it feels almost the same and it wasn't a nerf nor a buff, just a revamp. I love Selene even more now.

[dragoelete]

honestly i never had the problem of setting selene to sic whenever i did it she would rotate her bugs it ws confuseing to me when i got commendations because i "switched the selene buffs so masterfully"...

[zuzu-bq]

It wasn't a problem before. I just used her on Obey so I could manually cast embrace and rotate her buffs as I want because I knew sometimes after a downtime some dps would need a buff more than others (when thinking about BLM and MNK on 2.x and sometimes Tanks having to statch aggro). But now she'll try to buff everyone when they can't hit anything if Fey Wind is ready to be cast and even use Fey Caress when you could just cast Leeches on someone and save her ability for later.

I would only put her on Sic if I'm solo healing King Moogle (even more if we're doing undersized) since she'll remove all charmed targets at once if positioned correctly, you included.

[Tillen]

[QUOTE=Ghishlain;3124563]I think I'm gonna counter that your math is incomplete.[QUOTE]

Awesome. Great way to put it. I like your math. However, it just sheds more light on Selene's underwhelming buff. If we look at a raw 1.5% haste: On a mob with 1,000,000 HP, that means a party wide addition of 15,000 damage. We scholars can put out way more damage than that. If we look at the numbers you put up for her 30 second buff, we are decreasing cooldowns by 0.35 seconds. As Sidra and Wizarus stated Eos clearly outshines Selene then. On a 4 man dungeon trash pull, we're only getting 1 buff on that pull, thereby not even giving our DPS and Tank an extra skill. But put Eos out there and we can stay in Cleric Stance the whole time, smashing DPS. On a boss, we get 2 pops = .70 decrease on the GCD. Still not a full skill. Again, leave Eos out and broil away. I like Selene, the problem is that her buff really doesn't do much, where as Eos can let us stay in Cleric Stance that much longer.

It comes down to party composition and ability, gear, food, and most importantly the fight itself. I'll keep switching depending on the dungeon/trial/raid but Eos just seems to be the go to now.

Damage is underwhelming, and so far I have had no issues healing in any content in Heavensward. Therefore, Eos' healing buffs are not needed to help heal, but needed to help DPS. Selene can buff party DPS, but her benefits are only seen on a long primal/raid fight.

[Sidra]

Another thing about Selene's buffs they buff GCD and auto attacks speed 3% - so with a 50% uptime you'd think it would be 1.5% extra damage. However, dot damage remains the same, as does damage from non GCD skills (Deathflare, Fester, Dragonfire Dive, Sidewinder etc.). So in reality, it's not even 1.5% more damage. Also a reason comparisons with AST people seem to botch - as Balance is truly all inclusive damage.

[Blessedbythesun]

From 30% with fey light and glow to 3% with fey wind, it seems like a need to me. The novelty wore off when I hit 60. Fey caress is an awesome ability but fairy swamping isn't ideal during endgame healing crunches when you need your MP.

[Sabeta]

We scholars can put out way more damage than that.

I simply cannot understand why you would say Selene is a waste of time when you are clearly concerned about maximizing DPS. The hardest Heal Checks in the game right now are 1) The Vault, 2) Bismarck second phase, 3) Alexander 4.

The only one of those where I have wanted Eos was Bismarck, and that was only because I had an AST in the party; however in that instance I felt as though I was solo-healing and didn't have time to contribute to DPS at all.

In literally every other healing situation in the game, Selene gets the job done. Embrace is still approximately 50% of Physick, and that's more than AST or WHM can lay claim to (Regen comes close, but is slightly weaker and costs MP) With tools like Indomitability and Healing/Deployment Tactics we do not want for AoE healing anymore. Rouse is still an excellent CD to burn when we want our Fairy doing more.

Which means that not only do I get to use all of my SCH DPS options, but that I get to do so while applying Haste to the entire party, and before you say "Eos lets you stay in Cleric's longer, therefore those 3 Broils you miss are > Selene" it's not true. If I have a White Mage with me then I seldom drop Cleric's, if at all. Nearly everything can be solo-healed with ease right now, and for the moments that can't be I usually just toss a Succor out and we're good to go again. As I get better geared I'm even finding that I can spend about half of Bismarck's P2 in Cleric's (Dropping it to help recover from the Tank Busters, and then turning it back on once people are topped up)

TLDR: Why use Eos when you can do all the DEEPS AND carry Selene for even more DEEPS.

[Wizarus]

^Wouldn't Eos let that WHM even CS themselves after they set up their HoT, and boost the party's DPS way farther than 3% haste buff?

[SuzakuCMX]

^Wouldn't Eos let that WHM even CS themselves after they set up their HoT, and boost the party's DPS way farther than 3% haste buff?

Fey Covenant has a 2 minute cooldown but it's better used to help yourself and the WHM keep tanks alive in large-damage situations since it's the only way SCH can buff their healing potencies. Whispering Dawn is ok but it's only 2.3 Embraces over the total duration on a minute-long cooldown. It might help the WHM DPS if they stack Medica II and Regen, I guess, but if you're like 5 iLvls above the gear the healers can likely both switch to DPS at points. The difference is Selene raises DPS of the entire party whereas using Eos might only raise the DPS of the WHM.

[SovereignAegis]

No she isn't, does she help? Yes.

But is it earth shattering? Oh hell no. I have tried it against Astrologian rigorously and AST buffs are significantly more helpful.

IE: Reduce TP cost on an AOE fight.
IE: Reduce mana cost on a blackmage.
*These two above add A LOT more than just 5% damage buff or 3% faster abilities that Selene does. Allowing an AoE like MCH or DRG to spam their highest TP cost abilities dramatically increases their damage output by even quadruple cause they get so many more abilities off.
IE: The balanced the entire team, is more noticeable than Selene's buff. Or put it on highest current DPS and that I feel is more noticeable. Selene's buff is ignorable on yourself as a healer in any challenging light-party situation and so "party wide" is overrated.
This will only be more pronounced and obvious when astrologian gets the buffs that were proposed in the live letter yesterday.

I am so sick of people saying Scholar is a DPS-healer because of Selene alone. She adds a MARGINAL buff for half the time. It is marginal and far from what everyone is blowing her out to be. I strongly prefer EOS simply for her HoT which allows me to spam 170 potency broil more.



WHM/AST incoming: "But SCH does more dps"
WHM Stone 3: 210 potency
AST: Whatever it is called: 200 potency.
Scholar broil: 170 potency.

"But your Do-"
WHM Aero, and holy which also stuns. I ain't got that.
AST multiple DoTs, Gravity (which doesn't stun mindyou)

I am so sick of the lack of self-awareness of these people. Learn your class, it helps.