Bard 60 Rotation / How to use WM Suggestions?

[Sessurea]

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme..._new_rotation/

If you scroll down the page you'll see a guy giving an interesting opener. Doesn't have wm on from the start. Also provides parses 1k+ in alex turns.

[Ooshima]

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme..._new_rotation/

If you scroll down the page you'll see a guy giving an interesting opener. Doesn't have wm on from the start. Also provides parses 1k+ in alex turns.

That amount of multi-dot management on A1, I need to git gud and learn too.

Mr Yaah is around this forums too and he's pretty capable of producing some of the highest BRD parses around.

For A2 I've done 1K+ DPS too - multi-dot AoE spam and hope that you kill it fast enough before you ran out of both MP for Paeon and Invigorate/Goad and becomes a sitting duck.

My A3 is about 70DPS behind him but my run was 2 mins longer, puts a bit of dent to my numbers due to transition in phases.

In general his kill time is very good. Both his A1/A4 are 5mins+ runs. One of the grp in my FC also runs them at low 5mins and their BRD also pulls 900 upwards on those turns. Fast kill times = lesser transition/downtimes and you have to be very good with your IJ timing to ensure that they don't keep overclipping or allowing the DoTs to fall off.

I'm doing something very wrong then, coz I'm not breaking 900 solo/no pots/no food/no miseries/no drg >< it's like 870 at best( hive bow,ilvl 177 )

Check if you mistimed your IJ causing overclips or dropping them, one of the main culprits.

Another major reason is the choices you make when you are faced with situations where your OGCDs line up, which probably takes a lot more practice on.

[MrYaah]

That amount of multi-dot management on A1, I need to git gud and learn too.

Mr Yaah isaround this forums too and he's pretty capable of producing some of the highest BRD parses around.

For A2 I've done 1K+ DPS too - multi-dot AoE spam and hope that you kill it fast enough before you ran out of both MP for Paeon and Invigorate/Goad and becomes a sitting duck.

My A3 is about 70DPS behind him but my run was 2 mins longer, puts a bit of dent to my numbers due to transition in phases.

In general his kill time is very good. Both his A1/A4 are 5mins+ runs. One of the grp in my FC also runs them at low 5mins and their BRD also pulls 900 upwards on those turns. Fast kill times = lesser transition/downtimes and you have to be very good with your IJ timing to ensure that they don't keep overclipping or allowing the DoTs to fall off.



Check if you mistimed your IJ causing overclips or dropping them, one of the main culprits.

Another major reason is the choices you make when you are faced with situations where your OGCDs line up, which probably takes a lot more practice on.

I actually manged to beat my parses on most of those turns today. If you feel like tracking how my dps is on all the turns im going to keep this doc pretty up to date through all of alex. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing

[Ooshima]

I actually manged to beat my parses on most of those turns today. If you feel like tracking how my dps is on all the turns im going to keep this doc pretty up to date through all of alex. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing

Cool stuff. Your A1 numbers are insane though. If you don't mind how many sets of dots are you managing? The adds die so fast IDK if it was worth it to apply DoT on them, currently I am just upkeeping on the 2 fat bosses only

What happened to the later A3/A4 runs tho? noticed it is quite different from your peak runs.

[MrYaah]

Cool stuff. Your A1 numbers are insane though. If you don't mind how many sets of dots are you managing? The adds die so fast IDK if it was worth it to apply DoT on them, currently I am just upkeeping on the 2 fat bosses only

What happened to the later A3/A4 runs tho? noticed it is quite different from your peak runs.

for A1 I just do dots on the two bosses, focusing my heavyshots on whichever one the drg is on.

For A3 I've only done like 2 runs on bard not including my very first clear, so I just dont think I've got a good run. As for A4 I think its really rng and depends on if I get sucked up or not. Its a pretty huge dps loss to get sucked up (se plz). These samplesizes are still really small and even on consistent fights you generally see a pretty large range between the good and bad parses.

Also on that last A3 parse they pulled when I was afk and I died halfway through the fight sooooooo. yeah.

[Viar]

Purely hypothetical opener 'cause I can't play for rather long time, but here goes. I'm assuming that I'm already playing BV'd Foe.

Start with minuet on: HE+RS+EA->Minuet off+BL+BfB+SS->IR+Repelling Shot+Minuet on+wb->Dex-pot+Flaming Arrow+VB->Blunt Arrow+Sidewinder+HS(x2-3)->Barrage+EA->BL+IJ->usual priority-based master-weaving.

There are a few things in a dire need of tweaks but eh.

Reasoning behind this opener:

1. I want to use EA as soon as possible to give myself a good jump in DPS.
2. BL needs to be on CD. Having it off CD always makes me want to press it... Anyway, if I'm cool enough BL still gets x1.3 multiplier. If not, can change the order, so whatever.
3. Switching off Minuet gives me some breathing room for Repelling Shot. Tbh, I'd only use the toggle for heavy-movement phases or for Repelling Shot...
4. This order of DoT's makes me only lose some potency on wb.
5. I'm pairing up Blunt Arrow and Sidewinder to avoid losing potency on Sidewinder. Besides, they both have very short animations.
6. I honestly feel that using just Barrage'd EA without any other buffs is a waste.
7. Dex-pot should make aiming the FA a bit easier 'cuz tank should already have chosen the proper position for boss.

[Snugglebutt]

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One thing will say is the rotation doesn't add up in terms of the off/on for WM. You might be forgetting the 15 second CD on it. I'm not 100% sure but I don't think "BL+BfB+SS->IR+Repelling Shot" adds up to 15 seconds total cast time.

[Sessurea]

HE+RS+EA->Minuet off+BL+BfB+SS->IR+Repelling Shot+Minuet on+wb->Dex-pot+Flaming Arrow+VB->Blunt Arrow+Sidewinder+HS(x2-3)->Barrage+EA->BL+IJ->usual priority-based master-weaving..

Looks interesting. I gotta say though I think double ogcds in wm is a hard loss.

I do: wm+rs+he+b4b+bL( as tank pulls ) >SS>ir>WB>fa>VB>b>EA>sw>HS>ba>IJ>repelling>>HS

MrYaah suggests wm off until just before EA, so I might try that too.

[Viar]

One thing will say is the rotation doesn't add up in terms of the off/on for WM. You might be forgetting the 15 second CD on it. I'm not 100% sure but I don't think "BL+BfB+SS->IR+Repelling Shot" adds up to 15 seconds total cast time.

Incorrect. CD starts when you toggle it on, not off. Since you start with it on, with it being ready for another toggle, it'd work. Just hope that none of your skills will suddenly decide to cancel because LoS...

Looks interesting. I gotta say though I think double ogcds in wm is a hard loss.

I've yet to try it in actual raid situations, so eh, it's still up in the air. Just having fun with theorycraft and trying to coordinate my GCD's with my DRG's BL&Disembowel.

[LLamaPie]

I do something similar along this rotation but I have been seeing alot of people talking about opening with buffs being stacked (RS+B4B or RS+IE). I'm not sure if it is better or not because I have not tried myself.

I've done that. Makes opening burst greater but otherwise doesn't up dps.