Content should be challenging to execute... Not challenging to learn

[Vanroe]

I wish I could get a Bismark ex clear as easy as some people have. My groups either fail the dps checks right out the gate in i165-170, or die to mechanics in phase 2/3. Im only a healer, so maybe there are intricies im not seeing.

[Souljacker]

I'd just like them to stop leaning so heavily on scripted dance mechanics and 1 person can wipe the raid if he gets a lag spike mechanics. My favorite fight of all time is Akylios in Rift - a great example of a multiphase fight with interesting mechanics that forced everyone to work as a team. FFXIV mechanics consist of dodging 9999 telegraphs and baiting divebombs (or other drop from the sky blah blah stuff) in ridiculously complex ways. The focus is on the individual knowing the dance rather than the team knowing how to work together. I think that's probably what the OP is really getting at here. Anyone who thinks FFXIV boss encounters are the pinnacle of game design has obviously never played any other mmos.

[IzzyData]

I completely understand what you mean OP. Literally nothing is actually skill based in this game except for maybe pvp, I haven't tried that yet, but as long as it is player vs player it is technically skill based. However the pve in this game is only knowledge based because all enemies will react the same exact way every single time. Once you already know what they are going to do there is no longer any technical skill involved and it's just execution based on memory.

Obviously games not vs other player "can" be really difficult considering games like touhou exist. There must be some middle ground to making an mmorpg pve content more reaction based. This game does a decent job of that with aoes that you need to dodge and stuff, but you already know it's coming and the patterns are never complex.

[Viridiana]

Once you already know what they are going to do there is no longer any technical skill involved and it's just execution based on memory.

Once you know the startup sequence and what the controls do, piloting an F16 is just execution based on memory.

Or in other words, skill.

[IzzyData]

Once you know the startup sequence and what the controls do, piloting an F16 is just execution based on memory.

Or in other words, skill.

I disagree. I'm pretty confident that no matter how long you spend learning about how to pilot a jet you couldn't do it your first try. You could easily watch and read about anything in FFXIV and execute it flawlessly on your first attempt. The skill part of the game would be learning your class and abilities, but if you already knew that then the boss encounters themselves are nothing after knowing what to do.

Perhaps there is a thin line between the two, but it in my opinion the game is definitely more about knowledge than technical ability.

[lololink]

I disagree. I'm pretty confident that no matter how long you spend learning about how to pilot a jet you couldn't do it your first try. You could easily watch and read about anything in FFXIV and execute it flawlessly on your first attempt. The skill part of the game would be learning your class and abilities, but if you already knew that then the boss encounters themselves are nothing after knowing what to do.

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[Viridiana]

You could easily watch and read about anything in FFXIV and execute it flawlessly on your first attempt.

Because so many groups one-shot T9. Or T13. Or T5. Or any of the Savage Coil. Or most of the Extremes.

Speaking of which, I have to ask. Is this an alt character? Because I notice you haven't cleared any of that content. Maybe before talking about how little skill is involved you could actually clear the content we're discussing? Or post on your main so I can take you seriously? Something?

[UBERHAXED]

I disagree. I'm pretty confident that no matter how long you spend learning about how to pilot a jet you couldn't do it your first try. You could easily watch and read about anything in FFXIV and execute it flawlessly on your first attempt. The skill part of the game would be learning your class and abilities, but if you already knew that then the boss encounters themselves are nothing after knowing what to do.

Perhaps there is a thin line between the two, but it in my opinion the game is definitely more about knowledge than technical ability.

Came here to say this is false. This is the purpose of training, and millions of people do it. Back to the topic, the fastest clears for anything didn't use any thing of the sort (duh, it didn't exist because they were the first clears). So it's faster to just not cheat and to learn it the right way.

[IzzyData]

So I guess my only suggestion would to be make encounters where you can't ever know ahead of time where a good place to stand is or where you ever need to move. That should be generated each time during the fight so that every time it is different somehow to a pretty significant degree.

[Destomius]

"____ takes no skill" is just another way of saying "i can't do this therefore i'll just play it off as if it doesn't take skill anyway".