Content should be challenging to execute... Not challenging to learn

[Whocareswhatmynameis]

I beat all 4 floors of Alex today, and didn't watch 1 video or read any books, websites, ect. Players did this really wierd thing today, they shared information on what the boss does and made strategies to counter them. So you say that it don't take any skill (only research), but the skilled players are beating it much faster. I don't think that's a coincidence.

Here's a wierd concept, the players that ACTUALLY did some of the previous bahamut raid honed their skills and beat Alexander much easier. The people that said screw it, are struggling on Alex right now.

[Chihaya]

Bismark EX doesn't have much randomness to it... It is extremely straightforward with a dps check - if you can remember your dps rotations. Is this what you call challenging/difficult?

And really... most of the people complaining that coil mechanics are scripted and reading a guide/watching a video is what you need to clear it, never actually done it.
I'll agree once you get the mechanics down it is not that hard to get 8 people to do team jump rope. But it takes a lot more practice than what Bismark EX is offering - kill adds - fire dragonkiller - jump on the sky whale - repeat (which itself is very scripted). And guess what... once you learn it - it's not that hard either? This is challenge?

Let's see what's your idea of difficult/challenging that is not a complete faceroll.

[Core1019]

team jump rope.

Someone please explain what this phrase means, I've seen it a lot around here and have no clue >.>

[Chihaya]

Someone please explain what this phrase means, I've seen it a lot around here and have no clue >.>

Think of 8 people doing jump rope together on a very long jump rope. When 1 person screws up - the rope stops and you start over.
This was what coil was like when you are doing it for progression - not the afterwards nerfed version.

It was harsh and demanded good performance of 8 players - and not just DPS checks like Bismark Ex, you actually had to handle mechanics.

Personally I think T9 and T13 were probably the best-designed fights in the entire game. They require people to be able to play their roles with a very high level of skill while also dealing with multiple mechanics. The other Coil turns you can pretty much go in and faceroll with enough determination. Those? Not so much.

Well apparently there are some people that doesn't think so... guess hitting those dragon killers and not having to worry about anything else other than DPS hard is much better challenge than to properly place meteors/earthshakers so you don't kill your party. Or healing through Flatten/Flare breaths with add that hits just as hard and to deal with the randomness of mega flare at the same time. No video or written guide is going to give you a free pass to clear these - you need to actually experience them. Which alot of people are criticizing it is too easy/scripted without ever doing them.

[LunaHoshino]

Well apparently there are some people that doesn't think so... guess hitting those dragon killers and not having to worry about anything else other than DPS hard is much better challenge than to properly place meteors/earthshakers so you don't kill your party. Or healing through Flatten/Flare breaths with add that hits just as hard and to deal with the randomness of mega flare at the same time. No video or written guide is going to give you a free pass to clear these - you need to actually experience them. Which alot of people are criticizing it is too easy/scripted without ever doing them.

Exactly. Fights like T13 demand that every single player in the party be on their A game: tanks need to know when to use cooldowns, healers need to time heals to coincide with all of the damage going out, and DPS need to know how to squeeze out every possible bit of DPS while also handling mechanics properly. Just watching a video isn't going to teach you how to do that-- the only thing that will is experience with the fight.

And, when you get right down to it? The mechanics of T13 are actually quite simple to learn. The trick is getting everyone to execute them properly and not having people standing on the butt when Megaflare goes out or putting both Earthshakers on the same side because someone wasn't paying attention.

[RickXRolled]

I beat all 4 floors of Alex today, and didn't watch 1 video or read any books, websites, ect. Players did this really wierd thing today, they shared information on what the boss does and made strategies to counter them. So you say that it don't take any skill (only research), but the skilled players are beating it much faster. I don't think that's a coincidence.

Here's a wierd concept, the players that ACTUALLY did some of the previous bahamut raid honed their skills and beat Alexander much easier. The people that said screw it, are struggling on Alex right now.

This guy gets it.

[Ryans]

I beat all 4 floors of Alex today, and didn't watch 1 video or read any books, websites, ect. Players did this really wierd thing today, they shared information on what the boss does and made strategies to counter them. So you say that it don't take any skill (only research), but the skilled players are beating it much faster. I don't think that's a coincidence.

Here's a wierd concept, the players that ACTUALLY did some of the previous bahamut raid honed their skills and beat Alexander much easier. The people that said screw it, are struggling on Alex right now.

I don't see you beating Alexander without doing research is evidence against his statement. You said yourself that players shared information. That is exactly the same as watching a video or reading a strategy. You had a preconceived notion about how about the encounter would play out and without that information you would not have succeed. I think that is the point they were trying to get across.

[lololink]

I don't see you beating Alexander without doing research is evidence against his statement. You said yourself that players shared information. That is exactly the same as watching a video or reading a strategy. You had a preconceived notion about how about the encounter would play out and without that information you would not have succeed. I think that is the point they were trying to get across.

What he means is that he created his own strategy.

[Core1019]

Just a couple of thoughts to add to this thread.

I don't think OP is entirely wrong, a friend of mine who tried the game quit because he was bored of the fights being too much like Simon Says. Simon says this, you do that.

I also don't think there's much else they can do. This sort of difficulty exists in an MMO, I think, mainly because it's a server based game. They can't make the fights too reactive or based on execution, because lag etc would be even more of an issue than it currently is. Some of the AoEs are bad enough as it is, since their detection is server based. And things like the new BLM rotation, 1 sec lag spike completely screws up your stacks. So I think they're making the best of what they've got.

[Rose-Wild]

Op you shouldnt be playing a MMO. There's is plenty of boring mobile games with the stuff you want.