Content should be challenging to execute... Not challenging to learn

[Outfoxed]

I don't want to have to read an entire textbook to figure out how to kill a boss.

I don't want to spend 30minutes watching a video learning how to kill a boss.

I'm not interested in a massive learning curve to kill a boss.

Content can be challenging without being overly complex and massively overloaded with mechanics.

Bismark Ex for example isn't a mechanically complex boss. Shoot dragonkillers when they're ready. Kick his ass when he docks. Kill serpent opposite of your debuff. Ready dragonkillers and kick his ass again.

He was interesting content without requiring your to study for a good hour to clear him. Bismark Ex tested how good you are at your job and how good you are at dodging, not how much time you spent reading a book on bismark ex.

T9 on the other hand was full of ridiculous and unintuitive mechanics. Writing out your name with meteors, doing the hokey pokey with fire, ice and lightning, feeding your neopets on meteors.... I mean seriously, how would I know that golems like eating meteors? And why on Earth would I want to feed a golem a meteor when he just gets bigger and stronger?

Come on Square, you can create unique and interesting mechanics without requiring a massively steep learning curve that requires players countless hours to memorize everything that's happening.

[ValkyrieL]

I like how u mention bismarck EX.....
Which is probably the easiest EX primal to date. A complete faceroll.

[VirusChris]

I like how u mention bismarck EX.....
Which is probably the easiest EX primal to date. A complete faceroll.

I would think it would be easy, but the steep DPS check and missing even once on the DK in Phase 3 which summons more adds... I've been getting wipes on that mostly on Phase 2 and Phase 3 a few times. We did manage to get it to 14% but the island got destroyed before we could finish the boss.

Even with a PF for ilvl170+ players and no MCH & BRD before 3.01 I would think we would've licked it by now. It seems Malboro has its shares of players having a rough time with endgame content... a lot.

[SonTensei]

T9 on the other hand was full of ridiculous and unintuitive mechanics. Writing out your name with meteors, doing the hokey pokey with fire, ice and lightning, feeding your neopets on meteors.... I mean seriously, how would I know that golems like eating meteors? And why on Earth would I want to feed a golem a meteor when he just gets bigger and stronger?

Come on Square, you can create unique and interesting mechanics without requiring a massively steep learning curve that requires players countless hours to memorize everything that's happening.

Get good Dude

[Outfoxed]

Get good Dude

you sound like a pretty awful player.

let me guess, your idea of being good is reading a guide and then spending countless hours memorizing mechanics?

sure i could memorize a string of 50 different mechanics, but that doesn't say anything about my actual proficiency at my job.

please, tell me how much skill it took you to execute mechanics that you knew were going to come 5 seconds before it actually came out. oh shiva EX is using her cross ice circle pattern? tell me how much skill it took you to dodge the pattern when you've already dodged it before she cast it.

like you said, get good buddy. hopefully bad players like you no longer get by by memorizing everything that's going to happen and actually have to learn to play the game. it's like playing chess and your opponent tells you exactly what their next move is going to be.

[MisterLucie]

sure i could memorize a string of 50 different mechanics, but that doesn't say anything about my actual proficiency at my job.

Again, difficulty in an encounter stems from being proficient at your job while also executing numerous mechanics properly. You can dodge every mechanic in the world and still be useless if you aren't doing enough dps. It's not a one or the other deal.

[Outfoxed]

Again, difficulty in an encounter stems from being proficient at your job while also executing numerous mechanics properly. You can dodge every mechanic in the world and still be useless if you aren't doing enough dps. It's not a one or the other deal.

Right and it's not an all or nothing deal either.

You can have mechanics that aren't stupidly unintuitive to figure out.

You can have mechanics that are hard to dodge without making them unintuitive.

Try again buddy

[Risvertasashi]

Well... MMOs have this odd little thing that no other game genre does (to my knowledge). Their raid mechanics are often completely counterintuitive. Like you get a mark, or a tether, or who knows -- if you haven't watched/read a guide, you have no idea what to do with it and whatever you try is most likely wrong.

That said, once you know the strategy, is IS all execution. Lucrezia, Blue gartr, etc get world firsts not only because they can puzzle out the mechanics, but also because they can execute with a degree of perfection not attainable even by those clearing a few weeks later.

And all of that said, I'd welcome more fights that resemble MH and such.

[Edellis]

how on earth is anything challenging to execute without having to learn anything new to actually make it a challenge? Especially in a game like this?

This isn't an action game, and they can't just make AoEs detonate faster or throw more of them at the screen, that's a faker difficulty than one that makes you fight blind.

And TBH, there aren't TOO many fights in this game where the mechanics just come out of absolutely nowhere. There are some like t5 or t9 that are unforgiving to learn, but most of them are lightly touched upon in the HM fight before they blow up in your face in EX.

[Risvertasashi]

how on earth is anything challenging to execute without having to learn anything new to actually make it a challenge? Especially in a game like this?

Go do coils using minimum ilvl sync and click off echo. And then note that the world first people completed them at ilvls below even that. If that's not a challenge for some people, they probably need to switch genres (but only some really niche games will be harder than that).