Question about using Nocturnal Sect?

[Alahra]

I gave up on Nocturnal after a few runs of Dusk Vigil. The difference in effective healing potency between the two stances is quite significant. Less potency means more heals, which means more MP spent. Given that MP is already a bit tight for AST (especially when you're trying to contribute some DPS), I'd much rather have more efficient heals. Obviously, if you're with another AST, one of you should use Nocturnal since our regens don't stack (but they do stack with WHM, which also stack with each other, for some reason). Otherwise, Diurnal is by far the stronger choice.

SCH was my main for most of 2.0, so I honestly would have really preferred to focus on Nocturnal. But it's just generally not worth it.

[Rajeme]

Actually I quite like using noct sec when doing low lv roulette. Overgearing makes shields shine more, and the stronger healing helps when low level tanks tend to suffer from burst.

I always wonder why they didn't incorporate shield buff to benefic 2. Make them unable to be overwritten unless a stronger shield is casted. Then noct sec fixed.

[dragoelete]

Actually I quite like using noct sec when doing low lv roulette. Overgearing makes shields shine more, and the stronger healing helps when low level tanks tend to suffer from burst.

I always wonder why they didn't incorporate shield buff to benefic 2. Make them unable to be overwritten unless a stronger shield is casted. Then noct sec fixed.

that still wouldn't fix it as it would still over wright a SCH adlo crit...

[Rajeme]

Well that's why I said it wouldn't be overwitten unless by a stronger spell. Should say it wouldn't overwrite a stronger spell either

[GideonHighmourn]

I find Nocturnal Sect incredibly underwhelming. Not just from a potency standpoint vs. Dirunal Sect or Scholar, but from a synergy aspect with the rest of the kit.

Dirunal HoTs are affected by Celestial Opposition (lol) and Time Dilation, which significantly increases their potency even more compared to Nocturnal Shields.

The Aspected Benefic shield needs to double on crit, and potency should refresh with Celestial Opposition and Time Dilation. This would give Nocturnal Sect far more synergy with the base kit.

Collective Unconscious is also very underwhelming with Nocturnal Stance. Not sure how to make this better, honestly, while keeping with the theme. Maybe suspend timer on all buffs while its active?

[Rajeme]

I find Nocturnal Sect incredibly underwhelming. Not just from a potency standpoint vs. Dirunal Sect or Scholar, but from a synergy aspect with the rest of the kit.

Dirunal HoTs are affected by Celestial Opposition (lol) and Time Dilation, which significantly increases their potency even more compared to Nocturnal Shields.

The Aspected Benefic shield needs to double on crit, and potency should refresh with Celestial Opposition and Time Dilation. This would give Nocturnal Sect far more synergy with the base kit.

Collective Unconscious is also very underwhelming with Nocturnal Stance. Not sure how to make this better, honestly, while keeping with the theme. Maybe suspend timer on all buffs while its active?

Mostly because aspected benefic's potency is too low to make effective shield. That's why i suggested they add shield to benefic/benefic II instead of aspected skills. That would fix most of noct's problems

[MidnightTundra]

Honestly... the thing that would "fix" Noct Sect is if we could switch stances in combat. We wouldn't need to outright forfeit our regens for a shield and vice versa. I feel like Noct Stance was designed with the mindset of being able to switch stances in combat and ultimately, the development team went back on that. They decided to lock stance changes inside of combat and kept Nocturnal Stance the way it is. Thinking about it, I suppose being able to switch stances in combat would be a bit too powerful.

But honestly if the raid needs mitigation with the way the stances work now, I'm just going to go SCH.

[Rajeme]

Honestly... the thing that would "fix" Noct Sect is if we could switch stances in combat. We wouldn't need to outright forfeit our regens for a shield and vice versa. I feel like Noct Stance was designed with the mindset of being able to switch stances in combat and ultimately, the development team went back on that. They decided to lock stance changes inside of combat and kept Nocturnal Stance the way it is. Thinking about it, I suppose being able to switch stances in combat would be a bit too powerful.

But honestly if the raid needs mitigation with the way the stances work now, I'm just going to go SCH.

I'm reluctant about switching stances midfight. It might make the class overcomplicated, and not in a good way. Think about it, the same spell , cast for regen, switch stance, cast again for shield. It feels unnecessarily clunky.

[GideonHighmourn]

Mostly because aspected benefic's potency is too low to make effective shield. That's why i suggested they add shield to benefic/benefic II instead of aspected skills. That would fix most of noct's problems

That literally removes the entire concept of Nocturnal Sect and Dirunal Sect affecting the Aspected skills. That's really not an option in my mind; is much rather see some intriguing synergy and different play styles incorporated in both stances.

As it is now, nocturnal sect has zero synergy with the rest of the AST kit. The problem isn't only with the potency, as I already stated.

[Mclyde]

If your team include a lot of caster, Noctural sect will be a great help for them. Cause the less damage they directly take, the less they will be interrupted.
In addition, i never saw a Hot make a critical, but if you do a critical blow with Aspected skill in Noctural sect, it's almost like you double the shield power. And a protection is never a waste like regen can be.

And then, in dungeon, some boss use heavy skill on random target. You're usually informed by a target that appear above this player. You can avoid a deadly shot on him thanks to the noctural effect. The regen effect of diurn sect is not usefull to a dead one.