So, how is your AST healing in Alexander?

[Deheuty]

Alex normal was quite easy on astro, outhealed all the whm/sch parters I had (from parse not eye). No mp issues, even after having to solo heal and raise the bad sch.

Fact is, learning the fight in savage people will probably lean towards whm/sch. But, as soon as its on farm, ast/ast or ast/sch. I'd rather be important on farm than first time clears.

It's easy to detect bullsh*t once you start claiming that the puny AST can actually outheal a WHM - I have 60 for both and WHM is my main before trying out AST all the way to 60. To tell me that the healing potency of AST's healing spells outrank WHM is just factually wrong - look at the spell descriptors for one. A WHM who cannot outheal an AST is obviously playing a WHM wrong. When healing using a WHM and AST, I can clearly detect the higher frequency I have to cast my healing spells for AST compared to WHM - it is very perceptible. And no wonder - AST's healing potency is lower than a WHM's.

At this stage to even suggest AST/AST combi is madness at best unless you want your BRD to sing mana song endlessly. To talk about farming any instance with overgeared toons is completely irrelevant (e.g., lower ranked trials/dungeons in DF) - ANYTHING is easier with an overgeared toon. When overgeared, do people really care about boss mechanics much unless it is a 1-shot?

[Krixus]

Keep in mind that the SCH is (or he should be) pumping out his own personal DPS. As an off-healer, AST cannot sustain their DPS due to the lack of our MP sustain and "free" cures.

If AST #1 tosses an Extended Arrow on the Monk, with Time Dilation, he has 45 seconds of Arrow. If AST #2 sets up the Expanded Balance with Celestial Opposition, the much bigger Party DPS boost on 8 mans, it will completely overwrite the monks Extended Arrow. I thought you knew this.

Ok so let the ast with the aoe buff cast first (you can see the icon on his buffs), then follow up with the other astros more potent buff on the strongest dps. Ding ding ding!

[Krixus]

It's easy to detect bullsh*t once you start claiming that the puny AST can actually outheal a WHM

I never said ast can outheal whm or sch lol calm down. I said in the runs I did through Alex (one set) I out healed the sch's / whm simply being a better player. I realize whm and sch are superior as I mained whm before as well.

[Zoralink]

I never said ast can outheal whm or sch lol calm down. I said in the runs I did through Alex (one set) I out healed the sch's / whm simply being a better player. I realize whm and sch are superior as I mained whm before as well.

Then why bring it up? I might as well say SCH is a better DPS than X class because I out-DPS many DPS in the duty finder.

[Krixus]

Then why bring it up? I might as well say SCH is a better DPS than X class because I out-DPS many DPS in the duty finder.

Well because the title of the thread is "So how is your Ast healing in Alexander?".

[MidnightTundra]

Ok so let the ast with the aoe buff cast first (you can see the icon on his buffs), then follow up with the other astros more potent buff on the strongest dps. Ding ding ding!

Doing some basic math here with the Balance Card.

Lets say DPS #1 is doing 1000 DPS. 1000 * 10% is 100. We just gave him 100 DPS (without taking into consideration encounter durations.)

Lets say the party DPS is around 5000 (Which is actually below the standard now). 5000 * 5% is 250 but it only lasts 15s.

Lets say the fight lasted 30s.

Extended Balance granted DPS #1 100 DPS for the entire encounter!

Expanded Balance granted the party 125 DPS for the entire encounter because it lasts half as long as extended; It had a 50% uptime. 250 * 50% is 125.

Expanded is still stronger by 25 DPS.

So you want me to withhold a buff and reduce efficiency because the game says "no you can't stack those". Save yourself the hassle and go with the stronger, more flexible option that is AST/SCH. This combo is unparalleled for burn phases.

[Krixus]

You weighed that heavily in your favor by making the scenario a 30 second fight. And the single buff would be 45-50 seconds. No one uses a buffed balance/arrow without time dialation.

So for 15 seconds you get an overall dps of +3750 (250added damage per second over 15 seconds). With a 50 second (time dia + the aoe) balance on a 1000 dps you get +5000 (100 damage per second over 50 seconds). And would lose about 750 dmg (50 dps x 15 seconds) by overlapping the current buff on that dps. So overall 3750 with just one astro, 8000 with two.. And if you both buffed a 1000 dps with the 50 seconds it would be 10000.

Maybe this means aoe isn't even worth it? Though it is higher burst over 15 seconds.

[Causality]

AST/SCH sure.

AST/AST is just... why?

Because Duty Finder

[shawnaus1986]

Healed all turns with AST/SCH and it's not bad. I think i'll stick with it for savage too!

[Wuja]

I completed all 4 floors on my AST at iLvl 171. It wasn't that bad healing at all, the first 1-3 floors I had 0 MP problems, had open windows to throw on some DoTs, had time to even play with my deck, shuffling and crap. The 4th floor is when your Essential Dignity and Synastry comes into play with proper timing. I don't want to spoil the mechanics for those that haven't tried it, but everyone will be taking damage during this floor, and a lot times it will be a huge chunk of their HP.

But don't panic, because you will have time to use Benefic instead of wasting MP on Benefic II. After a few wipes, I learned that I'm wasting too much mp on trying to top off their HP in a single heal, when there will be short periods where you can just use Benefic instead. By the end of the fight, I was at 50% MP. It's just a comfort level after a few wipes. Learn mechanics, adjust to how well an AST can truly perform without consuming a lot unnecessary MP.