Thread: Summoner a new form of summoning in 4.0

Originally Posted by Saggo

It actually bothers me that they don't do more pet jobs in FFXIV, running the gamut from minion pets to proxy pets or anything inbetween. MCH is... I don't know, it's not, I can't.

SE is leery to implement more pet jobs because of FFXI I assume. They had many issues trying to balance them. Don't get me wrong though, I'd love to see Beastmaster again!

Pet jobs are hard to implement unless they make it a limited pet that comes out do a big attack than leave. Its much easier to add moves to the Summoner than add abilities to the Pet.

Just pretend your ruin is your pet making an attack.

That is pretty much the only difference.

There is no difference in playstyle even if all our attacks were somehow "done by the pet". You'd still have to tell them to do the action, to be balanced for all classes it would still have to be on the GCD, etc etc. We get it, you don't like dot classes then play something else. Seriously, there is no vehemence here, but simply that those that hate the base gameplay aren't gonna be satisfied. You knew what it was like when you got started.

Originally Posted by pandabearcat

Just pretend your ruin is your pet making an attack.

That is pretty much the only difference.

I've never cared for Akiza's points, but that's a poor argument to make. The logical extreme of it is that it's all just numbers in memory, and so what's the point of it all.

Originally Posted by Saggo

I've never cared for Akiza's points, but that's a poor argument to make. The logical extreme of it is that it's all just numbers in memory, and so what's the point of it all.

Mechanically it is identical. See Hunter's Kill Command in WoW.

Obviously the caster is going to be GCD locked, they will still have to cast abilities...even if the abilities sourced from the pet the only difference would be cosmetic.

Sure some might prefer that, but that isn't what a lot of people are asking for. Heck I don't think they even know what they're asking for.

My point is that regardless of whether it is pet based or player based they are not going to completely overhaul the idea of the current SMN (unless it takes 10 years, see WoW warlock, even that was a resource revamp instead of extreme gameplay change).

Originally Posted by pandabearcat

Mechanically it is identical. See Hunter's Kill Command in WoW.

Obviously the caster is going to be GCD locked, they will still have to cast abilities...even if the abilities sourced from the pet the only difference would be cosmetic.

Sure some might prefer that, but that isn't what a lot of people are asking for. Heck I don't think they even know what they're asking for.

My point is that regardless of whether it is pet based or player based they are not going to completely overhaul the idea of the current SMN (unless it takes 10 years, see WoW warlock, even that was a resource revamp instead of extreme gameplay change).

The source of the damage changes things up enough. Being able to have 2 active targets alone opens up a new field of playstyles. But that's a whole other nuanced conversation. When you argue that it's all identical, the logical extreme is that the game is all numbers, and why am I even playing. People play MMOs to be something else.

I wasn't trying to imply you specifically didn't have a point, and trust me I fully doubt they'll ever change SMN's core mechanics too. Even though I'm fine playing it, I don't have to like their choice.

As for what most SMNs are asking for, I think they know, it's just all different. Of all the things SMN could have been, a DoT/Minion job was with the least basis, so everyone starts picking out each of their favorite things they could have done instead.

Just give us the summons from the otherworlds. make us summon them from other FF games so we don't have to be limited by the lore of the primals in this game anymore.

Originally Posted by Evangela

Just give us the summons from the otherworlds. make us summon them from other FF games so we don't have to be limited by the lore of the primals in this game anymore.

The Primals are the classic summons from other Final Fantasy games and Espers are the twelve deities that Zodiark created so we can't have summons form other games. Unless SE creates deities that Summoners can make a pact with and summon or they give us the ablity to summon Hydaelyn within our body and transform into the Goddess.