Bard

[Alkel]

Bards can bypass a lot of mechanics that close range melee suffer from.

Its well known:

- T10: BRD was able to bypass the charge by running!
- T11: BRD was not concerned by the link! he was able to stay away from the boss and still DPS
- T12: BRD was not handling the fireball, this crappy mechanic was for melee of course
- T13: BRD was not concerned by megaflare! P2 balls were on everyone but BRD! And of course BRD was immune to P3 dive!

There was no "melee only" mechanic in final coil.

Should we talk about T7 pre nerf were BRD was on kitting duty? At least now, since BRD/MCH are gimped turret, we can ask anyone else to do the kite if it happens to be needed.

Yea, BRD was so cheated

[Sessurea]

I see a post here and ther mentioning near 1k dps solo parses. It's a mystery to me though, no idea how people are reaching these numbers. Gives me hope at least .

[Aura_Shurifon]

White Mage's Cleric Stance have a 10s cd too (a bit less, but still here) and it's far more dangerous to be in the DPS stance while you need to remove it than bard.
Healer => tank dead if we can't switch back to healer stance
Bard => a bit lower DPS... (like 80-90%)

[Merryl]

The basic fact everyone is ignoring... All classes start at zero. There's no logical reason why people playing as Archer should have been decreased, ever.
Totally fine to adjust the endgame stuff... Please leave the base classes alone.

[Wavaryen]

Truth is. Devs said it was a DPS class. Now they are calling them support dps. I don't even know what the brd is anymore.


I am just going to keep calling it a dps class until I can sign up for a group as support. Support dps is the dumbest idea ever, Progression it is fine, but that is not all the game offers. If you are going to make a support dps, the support should at least raise the damage of other players. This class design is flawed and someone should feel bad for it.

[nbiscuitz]

The logical change for bard skill would be "you can not sing any song while in the stance", which turns us into ranger of some sort. Even just a 10% increase would be good. This way, it feels like 50-60 progression mean something. Not paying mobility/cast time/AA to increase dps (which it actually doesn't). Imagine giving WAR cast time too when they are in deliverance, give DRG cast time when in blood of the dragon, monk cast time when they have GL stacks...take their AA away also. Just taking our songs away is enough, then if we need songs, we lose 25% (stance and song penalty) total dps. If they really want to change the style of bard/archer, put this stance in level20 or something and make it a must use like tanking in a stance that actually increase our dps.

[Jeckyl_Tesla]

The logical change for bard skill would be "you can not sing any song while in the stance". Even just a 10% increase may be would be good. This way, it feels like 50-60 progression mean something. Not paying mobility/cast time/AA to increase dps (which it actually doesn't). Imagine giving WAR cast time too when they are in deliverance, give DRG cast time when in blood of the dragon, monk cast time when they have GL stacks...take their AA away also. Just taking our songs away is enough, then if we need songs, we lose 25% (stance and song penalty) total dps. If they really want to change the style of bard/archer, put this stance in level20 or something and make it a must use like tanking in a stance that actually increase our dps.

That's the most stupidest comparison I've come across yet. They're melee classes. How the hell would placing cast times on melee classes be equal to placing a small cast bar on a highly mobile, ranged DPS class.

Jesus, people are just pulling random shit from the bag now.

Thing is, I completely understand if people are upset that they don't LIKE WM. I get that, and it's a shame it was tacked on.

What I don't get is the cries for more DPS for a class which has arguably the easiest ability to DPS in the game, with the least forgiving rotation, with the highest mobility.

[nbiscuitz]

That's the most stupidest comparison I've come across yet. They're melee classes. How the hell would placing cast times on melee classes be equal to placing a small cast bar on a highly mobile, ranged DPS class.

Jesus, people are just pulling random shit from the bag now.

Thing is, I completely understand if people are upset that they don't LIKE WM. I get that, and it's a shame it was tacked on.

What I don't get is the cries for more DPS for a class which has arguably the easiest ability to DPS in the game, with the least forgiving rotation, with the highest mobility.

you are stupid, if you can't even understand what i am comparing with, you should put that shit in your bag...As melee, you can lift your axe, wait for cast bar, then hit the mob. taadaaa~~ melee casting. And see, you don't like that do you!! As a melee, you can move around/through the mob as well. Melees also have higher dps to range anyway, which is fine by me. The point is that you get even more dps now by not PAYING A PRICE!!!!!

[Jeckyl_Tesla]

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My lord, you obviously haven't played this game for long.

You're telling me, that putting a cast bar on a class that;

1: requires you to be in melee range
2: requires you to do moves from a specific position to get the most out of it's DPS
3: have to deal with more dmg and mechanics just to how bosses are built and hence losing DPS uptime on a boss as a whole,

is the same thing as putting a cast bar that;

1: Has no positionals,
2: Can avoid most mechanics while STILL DPSing,
3: Has insanely good mobility and can attack from a long range where melee cannot.

Are you for real? Like, do you even think before typing anything? Did you even think through what you said?

There is a reason BRD was laughed as the easiest class in the game, because it was. And now it's slightly difficult to play, you're complaining.

[nbiscuitz]

My lord, you obviously haven't played this game for long.

You're telling me, that putting a cast bar on a class that;

1: requires you to be in melee range
2: requires you to do moves from a specific position to get the most out of it's DPS
3: have to deal with more dmg and mechanics just to how bosses are built and hence losing DPS uptime on a boss as a whole,

is the same thing as putting a cast bar that;

1: Has no positionals,
2: Can avoid most mechanics while STILL DPSing,
3: Has insanely good mobility and can attack from a long range where melee cannot.

Are you for real? Like, do you even think before typing anything? Did you even think through what you said?

There is a reason BRD was laughed as the easiest class in the game, because it was. And now it's slightly difficult to play, you're complaining.

Are you for reaalllllz. I don't know why you think that i don't think, but i kinda think you don't think too. putting cast bar on melee is just a way to make you THINK as a what if scenario, which what I don't want either as I have melee level too. Loving my warrior also.
1. being a melee in melee range?? durrr
2. positional is melee's way to maximize. Our way to maximize is to keep dealing dps while dodging stuff. But can be more difficult for melee i understand.
3. everyone need to deal with mechanics. you lose DPS while move out of melee range (that's the only difference), but fact is that melee still deal the top DPS over bard which is fine by me like I said. Our mobility is to dodge stuff, how is that insane. Melee can move around at melee range too, such insane mobility!!~

Laughed easiest to play? whats wrong with that? are you jealous that we are easier to play? Sounds like you are this type "no, i don't want to be happy like you, I want you to be sad, so we are all sad. That's fair!". I agree putting some more play mechanic is good, but this is not "slightly difficult to play", they have changed the style, like I said in the 1st post (which you didn't read/think), if they want this, they should put this skill at early level, not at bloody 52. Melees have their positional/stacks early, they are designed to play that way. Our 50-60 is getting skills that doesn't extend how we play (except Sidewinder/fester). But to do the same (or slightly more, need parsing data) dps in a different play style, putting the shackle on us that's not worth the effort (which I already said, you probably didn't read/think also).