BRD/MCH Fixed!

[NoahArks]

Why would you only use GB every 20secs? You're killing your overall potency. No wonder ppl think MCH in general have crap dps.

I mostly use it in combination with wildfire. Only using GB then I can get around the 2.5k on wildfire. I still have to see how my rotation will work at endgame, though. But what I've seen through using the aggro meter, I'm not that far behind a drg.

[Kayote]

Guessing you skipped the job quest cutscenes? or didn't read the text when you talked to Jehantel?

"What does a bard do?
... the bard I would speak of is one born from a battle-hardened archer--one who sings his/her songs in the heat of combat to inspire his/her comrades to ever greater feats of martial prowess. ... the archer does the only thing he/she can: he/she sings. And in that raw melody resides the power to stir the souls of men. That, my friend, is the true definition of a bard, and one that few now remember."

Where did I say we dont sing? Where does that say our DPS will always be gimped? Not only is that some glorified lore 30 levels into the game but I dont see where is says we're not really DPS, contradicting everything the player was told from the minute he picked his class/role and future job.

[Spawnie]

i like the new changes alot... feels alot better than what it was b4 theres really simple solution to help both parties

those that like dps over mobility = use WM/guass
those that prefer mobility over dps = dont use WM/gauss

pretty simple when you think about it :P

[codofwisdom]

one who sings his/her songs in the heat of combat to inspire his/her comrades to ever greater feats of martial prowess. ... the archer does the only thing he/she can: he/she sings. And in that raw melody resides the power to stir the souls of men. That, my friend, is the true definition of a bard, and one that few now remember."

Yes, quite ironic at the moment, isn't it?
Only thing I'll say is that our songs do not inspire to greater feats of martial prowess. They allow people to attack for longer, but not hit harder.
To me, that's the biggest failing of the Bard Job. If the bard raised everyone elses DPS, then no-one would care if we hit like a wet paper towel.

I want nothing more than to support. Not to heal, not to tank, but to help everyone else do better. Make everyone feel like they are kicking the crap out of the enemy, while I stand in the back, smiling faintly and singing.

[Allyrion]

Yes, quite ironic at the moment, isn't it?
Only thing I'll say is that our songs do not inspire to greater feats of martial prowess. They allow people to attack for longer, but not hit harder.
To me, that's the biggest failing of the Bard Job. If the bard raised everyone elses DPS, then no-one would care if we hit like a wet paper towel.

I want nothing more than to support. Not to heal, not to tank, but to help everyone else do better. Make everyone feel like they are kicking the crap out of the enemy, while I stand in the back, smiling faintly and singing.

It's funny, cause as a Ninja I can raise everyone's dps and we're top tier dps.

In the end though, BRDs have had gimped dps for most of 2.0 but they were always pretty much guaranteed a spot.
Part of the reason was the support, the other part was the mobility.
But they're moving away from the mobility part with WM. So they should have more damage than they used to.

It would be nice if there was more support or utility to them (both BRD and MCH) as well, once it doesn't cause BRD/MCH stacking.
They're probably never going to be true support as you wish. If there was, they'd have to add a specific support role slot to avoid a myriad of issues with comp.

[Vyshan]

I want nothing more than to support. Not to heal, not to tank, but to help everyone else do better. Make everyone feel like they are kicking the crap out of the enemy, while I stand in the back, smiling faintly and singing.

A valid point, as well. I'm totally fine with being a low dps class, if I could actually SUPPORT the group. But our group support is limited to being a potion with hitpoints. Where are our group buffs that do other things, like increase secondary stats? (Determination, crit chance, parry for instance).

But no, we're just potions with hitpoints. And because other jobs have skills that help with mp/tp regen, we're not even critically vital potions with hitpoints, unless people are screwing up on a regular basis.

[sirDarts]

OK... I am not a BRD, I have never played a BRD, but why is everyone ignoring Foe Requiem? It's a huge boost to caster DPS looking at the numbers.

[codofwisdom]

OK... I am not a BRD, I have never played a BRD, but why is everyone ignoring Foe Requiem? It's a huge boost to caster DPS looking at the numbers.

You are correct. In a group of BLMs, a Bard has lots of friends. But if you consider the fact that 14 out of 22 of the available classes use physical damage, this is less useful.
My other wish is for a physical Foe's Requiem.

[TheMunimai]

Not the play style we picked a bard for.

Style and playability has nothing to do with my point at all.

The person I originally quoted made the point that lack of mobility made bards dead .... My point was - just because you have to "Cast" doesn't make you dead at all.

[Vyshan]

OK... I am not a BRD, I have never played a BRD, but why is everyone ignoring Foe Requiem? It's a huge boost to caster DPS looking at the numbers.

Foe Requiem requires that you have a bunch of caster dps. But what if your dps is ninjas and dragoons? It's benefit is then minimal. Also, it drains the bards MP ridiculously fast, so it can only be maintained for a few seconds per minute.

Also, if they have to be running tp/mp song, they can't run Requiem.