BRD/MCH Fixed!

[Mikedizzy]

I don't really know where to start but I have been playing Bard since Beta and the changes are great and dps is fine. You can still do over 1k dps on most floors of Alex, go check some of the good bards in hard core raiding statics. Some Bardz I am sorry to say but need to learn how to play the job. I am not one of the best but I can easily burst at over 14k and then level out over 1000 over 4 minutes. How is this shit dps? It is great considering what we bring to the Raid. Bardz are still wanted and the "good" raid groups all have one. It's the small group out there in PF that think they are the shit and need to stop it already. We are good flow Bards...we are good.

[Mikedizzy]

ThT should have said 1.4 k my bad

[RiisWolf]

I rather have the 3.0 version over this clunky 3.1 version.

[PopeHat]

If BRD's are matching your DPS as a SMN, I think you're just a terrible SMN.

[Sen_Terrechant]

If BRD's are matching your DPS as a SMN, I think you're just a terrible SMN.

I dont think you realize what SMN single target DPS is at the moment (Read: SMN has the lowest single target DPS potential out of all the DPS classes at the moment) on a dummy parse and furthermore i never said MATCHING in case you have trouble reading. I said NEARING, which is where they should be. A good BRD/MCH will be around 1k on a dummy parse right now, SMN should be around 1.1-1.15.

[Panasync]

If anything WM makes the job easier, not harder. Before to do maximum DPS you needed to be on your DoT's/oGCD's/procs and buff alignment, it was much more fast paced because there was zero downtime to do so, the cast times have slowed the job down significantly. I actually find it much more peaceful, I still prefer the way the job played for the last 2/2.5/3 years (however long it's been since release), but to make it sound like the change has made the job more difficult is showing a distinct lack of knowledge of how the job was properly played prior to and now.

[ChloeGrace]

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Fine. You might like it. You are definitely in a VERY small minority.
The vast majority of bard mains played properly prior to 3.0, and obviously have a distinct advantage in job knowledge over you.
For you to believe that the job isn't still broken now (perhaps even worse than 3.0) then you are even more of an idiot than your post indicates.
Casting times make it IMPOSSIBLE to weave oGCD skills and maintain any kind of flow.

Try driving a precision sports car for 2 years, then put square wheels on it and see how well it works. That's bard right now.

PS. OP thread title is wrong - bard is NOT fixed.

[Panasync]

Fine. You might like it. You are definitely in a VERY small minority.
The vast majority of bard mains played properly prior to 3.0, and obviously have a distinct advantage in job knowledge over you.
For you to believe that the job isn't still broken now (perhaps even worse than 3.0) then you are even more of an idiot than your post indicates.
Casting times make it IMPOSSIBLE to weave oGCD skills and maintain any kind of flow.

Try driving a precision sports car for 2 years, then put square wheels on it and see how well it works. That's bard right now.

PS. OP thread title is wrong - bard is NOT fixed.

I never said I liked it, in-fact I stated I didn't like it as I prefer the playstyle that the game has used since launch. I was making a point to the people that seem to think using WM is somehow more difficult, it is not, it is actually easier.

I honestly feel like you didn't read my post at all.

[AnnietheCat]

A lot of the people I play with just hung up their bard gear. I've gone to full time crafting(and got three classes to 50 too!). But to callously tell your fellow players, people who pay to play this just like you, "just reroll and stop whining" and "well /I/ like it, so quit crying" is unnecessarily rude. Yes, it's still obvious that the players are still split on what they want to see from bard. Those who like it don't somehow trump those who don't. Giving us a class split would be the best option at this point. One for pure dps and one for support. I am super glad there are people who like it, though; like I said, the devs worked hard on it. But many of us don't like it and we deserve to play just as much as those who do.

[Marionette]

I've been maining mch since HW now, and while I agree we shouldn't be doing as much DPS as other DPS jobs, I shouldn't have to be worried about DPS checks if I'm not the only Mch/brd in the party, Not skill of the player, just the job itself. While 2/4x brd/mch is a possibility in DF, it should still be possible to complete the content outright, let alone in a reasonable time. But right now it might as well be "Ok Ninja, you will do 10% less DPS overall, because you have access to vunerability+ and goad, but we'll also add a 15% damage debuff to you for 15 seconds after you use goad and trick attack. Oh and while were at it, we'll make it so you lose your auto attacks while under effect of Huton.