BRD/MCH Fixed!

[RiceisNice]

why are we still pretending it was a damage loss

everyone just sucked at using it so it looked like a loss, lol

The only time it wasn't a damage loss is when you could cast every ability (and by that, I mean not using feint) at 100% uptime and use blanks off cooldown... Which amounts to around a 1-3% dps increase over not using GB, and at a loss when rapid fire bug existed and you instant GB for wildfire's burst.

[Noira]

So the complaining is, it now requires skill to play ? Tbh I'll give you the singing thing, the point still stands it's a stance learn to use it. So far most of the great bards have used it to push their dps even further.

All classes have a new skill cap. Did you guys honestly think bard would be left untouched ? If you want better dps as bard learn to use WM.

Blm is no longer pew pew easy and requires thinking on keeping enochian and ley lines effective.

[Snugglebutt]

So far most of the great bards have used it to push their dps even further.

Pushing their DPS further than what? The very low baseline that came with the bad class scaling from 3.0? Pushed further than when not having WM on? Which if no bard could do so the skill would be so broken it should be removed completely? The issue is not pushing DPS higher than the very low baseline that came with 3.0 or pushing the DPS to be higher than when not using WM...it is pushing that DPS to be high enough to be considered by most adequately scaled with the other DPS classes.

A majority consensus of bards and machinists which believes it has become adequate needs to be reached or SE will not hear the end of this until such majority consensus is achieved. I am not talking consensus of the silent majority who have not and do not supply/give feedback on balancing.

You may be able to convince yourself it is adequate but as for convincing others on here that it is adequate, try supplying parser information to back up what I quoted instead of making assumptions or relying on he said/she said examples. Even high quality theory crafting that uses correct and accurate mathematical analysis would be better in trying to convince others towards the validity of your argument. That's just how the cookie crumbles.

[WiseWolfHolo]

There is no such thing in this game it is all pointless repetition over and over again. The problem is that bard is too clunky now, the better fix would have been WM insta cast insta recast, now u maintain mobility and might be able to weave a rotation, thus you still get the old school play style and although while it still clunks it is a far better place then where we are now. Now I have nothing against this so called "skill" but again if I wanted to play such a class I had to do a multitude of things perfect to get super high numbers I would play those classes. Not play a class where a ~5% increase to dps comes from wanting to bash my head against my desk. And before any more opinions about this come about, yes I use WM, chances are most here have not yet tried to play it at 60. Also I don't like the idea of the OT warrior to even be able to touch the dps of even the weakest dps jobs, bard/mch.

[Wavaryen]

So the complaining is, it now requires skill to play ? Tbh I'll give you the singing thing, the point still stands it's a stance learn to use it. So far most of the great bards have used it to push their dps even further.

All classes have a new skill cap. Did you guys honestly think bard would be left untouched ? If you want better dps as bard learn to use WM.

Blm is no longer pew pew easy and requires thinking on keeping enochian and ley lines effective.

Hm, I think most people thought common sense would happen, and the class flavor still stays the same, but some adjustments need to be made. Not changing part of the core of the class. I guess people will defend bad game design.

[mb52139]

I honestly feel like dps without WM active.. is better ... just wiped on last boss of Aery.. cause DPS was just shy.. when I use WM.. when I went full mobile mode... we had no issues.

I can't wait till the parses start coming out, so we can see the hard numbers.

[CrazyViet228]

Yawns, sorry well I don't play bard. Sorry if it feels like I'm trolling but I always hated the most mobile class. Hence why I play DRG (^_^)/ , But kinda glad with Heavy Heart it happened to you guys semi nerf semi buff you know. I guess some L2P skill is involved now. Have a great day (^_^)/

[ScarecrowJames]

Yawns, sorry well I don't play bard. Sorry if it feels like I'm trolling but I always hated the most mobile class. Hence why I play DRG (^_^)/ , But kinda glad with Heavy Heart it happened to you guys semi nerf semi buff you know. I guess some L2P skill is involved now. Have a great day (^_^)/

And dragoon requires any more skill than repeat a cycle of keys/macros and avoid aoes? Every class in this whole game is macros/key cycle. The only time you even do something different is when a boss switches a Phase and thats just repositioning.

[Thunda51]

I like the changes and all. 8 like that I can now add GB to my rotation and not lose DPS. But is it just me or does ricochet kinda suck now?

[BarretWallace]

But is it just me or does ricochet kinda suck now?

It was a hammer before the patch, it's still o-k, but YEESH, 100 less potency is steep.

But the 10% damage increase with GB allows MCH bring more consistent dps to the pt. Before this patch, it leaned too heavily on proc damage spikes. And that was weak.