BRD/MCH Fixed!

[Sujinja]

It's definitely better than it was. I tried full gauss barrel on the other night in alexander and i was like on par with everyone else. it was with my static raid group not DF crap.

[HairyRoger]

Dps after the fix has been increased significantly. Its much more balanced. Look at it this way, do you want 10% more dmg on all your other skills, or 100 more potency on the 1min cd skill that hardly ever lines up with anything. The potency loss is not even that big due to the 10% extra on gb.

I pick the change any day. Only thing I have problems with is the horrible proc rate on the combo. It doesn't feel like 50% at all.

I agree with some people that GB seems to be designed for MCH, not bard. I would not mind a WM change to make the classes less of a copy of one another. MCH mobility is perfectly fine. MCH fits the more stationary style with the big gun. Bard should be more mobile.

[ChloeGrace]

Dps after the fix has been increased significantly.

It doesn't change the fact that these jobs have now become bow-mage and gun-mage after 2 years (in bard's case) and 50 levels of a completely different play style.

They are better than 3.0, but not-as-bad is still bad.

[HairyRoger]

It doesn't change the fact that these jobs have now become bow-mage and gun-mage after 2 years (in bard's case) and 50 levels of a completely different play style.

They are better than 3.0, but not-as-bad is still bad.

As I said in the post, I think bard should be more mobile. MCH has not become anything, it just came out. We are meant to be a gun-mage and I feel that is how it should be. The two should be different in that sense. I agree with GB and MCH, I don't agree with WM and bard, as stated. BRD needs to be more mobile than MCH.

I don't think we are fine, but we did get better. I do not, however, think the two classes require the same fixes to be where they should. What they did now was fix the thing that hurt both classes. Any fix directed towards each one will take more time.

[ParanoidHobo]

MCH has not become anything, it just came out.

Surely you can see the parallels between MCH and BRD though. It's not totally outlandish for comparisons to be made. That said though, why? If SE has beef with the BRD style of free moving ranged dps why isn't MCH just cast times to begin with? Does no one communicate at SE? -_-

[HairyRoger]

Surely you can see the parallels between MCH and BRD though. It's not totally outlandish for comparisons to be made. That said though, why? If SE has beef with the BRD style of free moving ranged dps why isn't MCH just cast times to begin with? Does no one communicate at SE? -_-

That is indeed the question. I can ofc see the parallels, but I just think they are too similar. Giving BLM "inferno trance" at the expense of "inferno stacks" and have them deplete it with "infernosomething" would be equally silly in my opinion.

I just think they are two different classes filling the same role with emphasis on different. Giving both the same mechanic with different names is lazy. MCH fits GB, bard does not fit WM. Just my opinion and has nothing to do with WM being good or not. Turning it on and off adds variety to the gameplay, which is good. If they wanted brd to stand still they could have done it in many ways : /

[Rivez]

Playing a support character it would have been nice to actually have support moves that aren't worse than the other dd's. I play with a summoner, ninja and dragoon most of the time and I rely on drg debuff for extra damage not me applying for the drg. If the tank needs tp the ninja quickly throws it him. If it goes badly the summoner steps in to revive, he also lowers the enemy dps on big moves with virus more than me..
When we need to do fast dps the dragoon uses battle litany for massive boosts. I just sit on the side doing dps.

[HairyRoger]

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I have to agree. Would be fun if the support penalty didn't only apply to MCH / BRD. I have no problems with a support penalty when using the support abilities tho.

[Medieval]

I just came back from a long hiatus near the end of 2.0 I'm mostly only interested in the raids and what not. What exactly happened to the class to make it so hated? Is the dps terrible now or is the hate based on it being a turret stance? How does the class preform outside of said stance compared to the other classes? Is it viable atm in raids or am I better off gearing up and rolling dragoon/monk? (repeat from another thread, just want an answer)

[Rafaelhades]

Yep. BRD and MCH both suck. You all should go play DRG. Please. If anything, it'll stop your incessant whining