Thread: Please help me understand why i should continue to play a repeat of 2.0?

You don't like the way the game is going, there is a very simple answer to that. Don't play it.
Do you honestly think that because YOU don't enjoy it that they will somehow change it? You not liking the expansion for 10 reasons, 100 reasons, 1000 reasons does not matter. If you think the path they are taking with FFXIV is not for you then you are under no obligation to force yourself to play.

The game is based around a wide variety of factors and while they will of course add new stuff every couple months, the basic formula of the game is not going to fundamentally change and you seem to dislike the basic more simplified design principals behind the game. So you can either learn to accept the design of the game or accept the fact that this game is not for you.

You are more than entitled to your opinion but just as you would like them to change the game, there are clearly LOTS of people that greatly enjoy the game AS IS and look forward to everything they currently have planned.

These type of threads always go down the same way:

-Person asks/demands community to tell them why they should like something or do something everyone else is into.
-Community goes to explain why.
-Person proceeds to cherry pick apart the arguments presented since they just want to prove people wrong rather than listen or, Twelve forbid, might actually agree on something.
-Continue till everyone runs out of posts.

To TC:

Please help me understand why i should "help you understand why you should continue to play a repeat of 2.0"?

1. I didnt even have one 75 job was still working on that.

That's because the leveling system was bloated to the point of Asian Grind. There was no content to do either. You didn't have a choice to do levels, you went where the parties went or you suffered egregiously in an already bloated leveling pace.

2. Was fun doing dungeons because it was challenge and rewarding.

What dungeons? What FFXI had was field zones- and more field zones you couldn't bring a Chocobo into. You went there if you had a quest objective or, maybe on rare occasion back in the old days where farming worms in Tunnels were decent exp. They weren't challenging so much as they were gated in teirs by serious level gaps which guaranteed you'd ever be able to explore the dungeons until level cap cause Truesight made Sneak/Invisible useless at any points of interest.

3. Storyline was 10/10

Moot Point, so is FFXIV's. Comparatively I'd say FFXIV's got the upper hand as it keeps the player engaged through more of the game play, rather than "Come back after you've turned in another 3000 crystals even though you meet the appropriate level for the content."

4. Questing in FFXI you where not someones fetchboy as it is in FFXIV.

Yes it was. It was absolutely. The difference is, FFXI made you go check the Wiki pages before you went out to fetch. Running from quest start point to unknown ??? location to pick up a key item isn't any less of a fetch quest than killing three designated mobs. The later simply presumes not to waste your time.

Then there's the matter of RNG drop verses Quest Item drop in fetch quests. Remember Exoray Mold, Dhamel Spit, Yagudo Necklaces and the like? They had about as good of a droprate as Atma had when Relic Weapon Chain first advanced that far. Don't lie to yourself and say there wasn't fetch quests. There were plenty. Most of them were more terribly implemented too.

5. Where many jobs in FFXI you couldn't have had all of them maxed out was almost impossible and difficult.

And it was quite the problem. People who played key roles had a massive advantage over those who didn't. Bottle-neck combat mechanics in fights assured that certain people who played jobs not in the flavor of the year never saw advancement until they got patch (which may take multiple years like the case of Dragoon). So literally it was a choice of seeing if you could beg your friends to assist you even though you were holding them back, or go back and invest months trying to get another class to cap - even though you hated that class.

Oh, and if you leveled a support class, you never saw the light of any other job unless you swore a solemn oath never to touch that support class again.

6. Its an MMORPG stuff shouldnt be soloed the point is finding people that are willing to help you. I understand nothing like FFXI where 6 players must do stuff but atleast 2 or 3 people OUTSIDE of duty finder!

You don't get to dictate that. Your opinion on that matter isn't the sole refrence point of 'what makes an MMORPG'. In fact... nobody does. Those barriers keep getting pushed and stretched and those definitions broken again. If we stuck, ridgidly to a singular formulae, we never would have gotten Igavanias or the the 3D Castlevania titles. This argument is a complete logical fallacy.

7.I laugh at your silly 5 new skills for each job when FFXI overwhelmed you with skills and jobs im used to a BLM having 40+ spells not 20.

You had 40 skills certainly. But you used 10 of them at any given encounter, and most of them were just scaled up versions of each other. Blizzard I, III, III, IV, IV, and Freeze were pretty much different versions of each other with various outputs, cast times, and MP costs. They did nothing substantial rather than raw damage and there was no mechanic that made them interesting, save Magic Burst that fell out of favor the instant it was discovered that Skillchain Spam was quicker.

Let's not forget the power discrepancy. Dispite the fact that Elemetnal Weakness was a thing, if an enemy did not outright resist Lightning, you used Thunder spells, because they were the highest damage. If not that, then you used Blizzard. Fire was only used against a select subset of the undead and nobody fought those anyways because they were bad exp fodder.


I'm sorry, but you weren't paying attention in FFXI, or you're viewing it with rose tinted glasses. Not only did FFXI had many of the same failings, it also had more by flooding the game with a horrible leveling bell-curve, empty content - gating that makes the Heavensward Expansion gating issue look tiny in comparison, and worst of all little to no cohesion or direction within the game.

There are many, many fond memories I have of that game, but they usually stemmed from Commiseration.

Originally Posted by Chevrefoil

Unless the OP didn't play 2.0 to 2.55 at all (which his original complaint does not suggest)....there is no way that he was replacing gear at 52. I didn't even start to get pieces remotely upgrade worthy until 53/54...and even then, it wasn't a huge upgrade over my old stuff. And I wasn't a raider in 2.0 to 2.55 either...just did WoD, collected tomes, etc.

52 is i125. Not at all strange to upgrade then if you havent been spamming WoD for upgrade items.

Chevrefoils & Felis: My point exactly. Due to how fast you level stuff becomes uesless fast too even if i had level 53 gear i could barely enjoy them for more than a day because the day after im 56 etc.
Again NO ONE IS ASKING FOR ANOTHER FFXI I'm not sure if people replying are saying things intentionally just to have an argument. There are things about FFXI that are amazing SE has not learned from them. FFXI kept this game alive so Yoshi P can turn it into FFXIV A Communism Reborn and FFXIV Heanvsward 2.0 with flying mount this time and a little bigger map. Hyrist wich is exactly my point I'm comparing games but I also know what I feel is wrong or not. I'm not dictating my gameplay on anyone its just an opinion there is no need for half the group to get upset just because they somehow don't get this like some of us do.

Originally Posted by SkizzleofRagnarok

FFXI kept this game alive so Yoshi P can turn it into FFXIV A Communism Reborn and FFXIV Heanvsward 2.0 with flying mount this time and a little bigger map.

hahahaha this can't be a serious post, this is a troll.