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    Nalien's Avatar
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    Taisai Jin
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    Twintania
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    Lancer Lv 64
    Quote Originally Posted by nuyu11 View Post
    Have you count other skills? Both of the skill that you mentioned have long CD, SE reduce Bard burst. Need to check the DPS first, we can't judge yet.
    True, by no means take these as serious numbers (I literally just did it in my head right now, probably some glaring error I'm missing), but the additional DoT potency alone should more than make up for the hit Sidewinder took. Assuming they never drop thanks to Iron Jaws (which I'm not too sure on the workings off), that additional 10% should account for an additional 140 potency in tics from DoTs over 60 seconds (the recast for Sidewinder). That isn't even accounting for other skills in a Bards rotation, just the additional damage from two DoTs which (I assume) should be applied with Wanderer's Minuet and always kept up with Wanderer's Minuet. There is also 3~4 Iron Jaws in there, which should add a total of 30~40 additional, not to mention the initial applying of DoTs offering a whooping 16 more. Not going to bother factoring in Heavy Shot/etc., unless I've completely misunderstood how DoTs work (1 tic/3s?) and/or Iron Jaws, that additional potency at least makes up for Sidewinders nerf and then some, whether that is actually true (again, just worked out quickly and I'm no Bard) and anything extra can push Bard past Tank DPS, I'll leave to someone else.

    Anyway, off to actually play 3.01, rather than talk about it~
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    Clara Necris
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    Tonberry
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    Astrologian Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Sakei View Post
    So, why were the two weakest dps classes nerfed?
    I swear some of the stuff you can read on these forums is so stupid it slowly dissolves your brain / gives you cancer.
    I honestly don't know what's worse- the fact you even think this is a nerf, or the fact there are people who agree with you and have liked your post.
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    Verdan Lankost
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    Carpenter Lv 70
    As a slow player, I just don't expect to get into raids when they're first released. The staggering of content exists to keep people who NEED to be on the EDGE satisfied, not me.
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  4. 07-07-2015 06:33 PM
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    It was stupid :D

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    Miranda Madison
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    Twintania
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    White Mage Lv 80
    I feel like se is pushing me out of the game.
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    Kokotsu Kotsu
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    Masamune
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    Archer Lv 70
    Cant wait to test my Bard and want to see the result, if the outcome is good then I will level MCH
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    Elim Lovecraft
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    Faerie
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    Gladiator Lv 50
    Getting 170 is easy and quick. I got ilv170 the first day I hit 60. lol.

    Only the chest, pants and weapon cost above 215 tomes. You get 80 tomes from completing the new level 60 dungeons, then a 40(iirc) tome bonus if someone is new. On top of that, you can also do expert for that tome bonus. If you are in a FC, you can run dungeons with your friends who recently hit 60 to shovel in those delicious tome bonus'.
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    Miranda Madison
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elim View Post
    Getting 170 is easy and quick. I got ilv170 the first day I hit 60. lol.

    Only the chest, pants and weapon cost above 215 tomes. You get 80 tomes from completing the new level 60 dungeons, then a 40(iirc) tome bonus if someone is new. On top of that, you can also do expert for that tome bonus. If you are in a FC, you can run dungeons with your friends who recently hit 60 to shovel in those delicious tome bonus'.
    I hate inconsiderate people. Not everybody has what you have and can achieve things the same manner you have for whatever their reasons are….
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    Elim Lovecraft
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    Quote Originally Posted by Twilite View Post
    I hate inconsiderate people. Not everybody has what you have and can achieve things the same manner you have for whatever their reasons are….
    Not sure how it's inconsiderate.

    Everyone can gain access to the new dungeons and the newbie/expert bonus'. Not everyone has a FC though. Which, if you don't have one, I suggest getting one! Not just to leech tome bonus', but for the many other perks.
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    Elinchayilani N'jala
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    Zodiark
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    Paladin Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Elim View Post
    Not sure how it's inconsiderate.

    Everyone can gain access to the new dungeons and the newbie/expert bonus'. Not everyone has a FC though. Which, if you don't have one, I suggest getting one! Not just to leech tome bonus', but for the many other perks.
    Im afraid it is being inconsiderate. Not everyone has the time to collect 3865~ tomes (yes, I counted them just for you) in a single day.
    Not to mention unlike 2 weeks ago you arent going to get the new player bonus for every single dungeon you do either.


    This isnt a discussion about how fast this would be to do in the future. (taking a week or two weeks to gear up to i170 isnt much time, compared to months of gameplay) But rather the stoic conclusion that taking your time in leveling in early heavensward (or perhaps more accurately, reducing your time at 60; and dungeon farming) does put you at a disadvantage with Alexanders release.

    For some people there's more to the game then just raiding(but they do still enjoy raiding!), which is why SE said ''take your time to enjoy the game during these 2 weeks''.


    On a sidenote:
    What point is there to having an i160 dungeon set? Since you are farming those dungeons for the i170 set anyway.


    Quote Originally Posted by Allyrion View Post
    People who take their time will take their time to decide to go to the new raid as well.
    It got held off so people wouldn't feel like rushing through leveling and gearing.
    There's always going to be a difference of opinion over the amount of time is needed.
    It got held off so people didnt feel like they had to choose between enjoying their leveling time, and rushing to max level/gearing law to be in time for the raid.

    This is not an argument between casual and hardcore as some seem to think. It's about enjoying one form of content (leveling) vs enjoying another form of content (raiding).


    The hardcore argument is only being brought up since some people insist that getting to level 60 in a day, and gearing up to i170 in the same day is the norm.
    (which ironically, oh so very ironically; makes me wonder just how little life some people have)
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    Last edited by Aeyis; 07-07-2015 at 07:53 PM.

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