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    Quote Originally Posted by Magistrella View Post
    The Spreadsheet got a confirmed entry of SC22 unlocking from SC21 - so yes, noone has said that 22 unlocks from 20 because its 20->21->22 ^^
    Nah what he meant is that he got it through 20, it's only an assumption to say 1 sector can only unlock one area but in this case 20 seems to be capable of finding both 21 and 22 and I can attest to that. An Airship that returned to other day was 18-21-20 and it was on the report for Sector 20 that stated we found Sector 22 it didn't say it during Sector 21 and as far as I know new sector notifications tend to happen within the Sector you were in and they don't all appear at the end.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magistrella View Post
    The Spreadsheet got a confirmed entry of SC22 unlocking from SC21 - so yes, noone has said that 22 unlocks from 20 because its 20->21->22 ^^
    In my case if you looked at my screenshot, the airship was on a solo trip to 20, and unlocked 22. No 21 involved (though I already have that unlocked) so that unlock is not so linear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bloody View Post
    The Sectors unlocked only appear in the initial log, and not in the "view previous log" option for some reason. I discovered 16 and 19 in the same voyage today (woo double luck) but went back to SS the log and the notifications weren't there. If this is the initial log pre-finalization, well then IDK you have a phantom unlock.
    It might be bugged, as I havent had a sector unlock actually show in the log for a long time now.
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    Our airship discover sector 22 from sector 20


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    Quote Originally Posted by Magistrella View Post
    The Spreadsheet got a confirmed entry of SC22 unlocking from SC21 - so yes, noone has said that 22 unlocks from 20 because its 20->21->22 ^^
    Quote Originally Posted by Malus_Odius View Post
    I just found sector 22 thru a voyage from 21-20.


    Was this the post that they used to confirm it on the spreadsheet? Because they said they were "pretty sure" it was from 21, but they didn't have access to the log to confirm. Either multiple sectors are actually available to discover a sector, or the other 2 people with actual screenshots were right and it's actually from sector 20.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moirethe View Post
    Was this the post that they used to confirm it on the spreadsheet? Because they said they were "pretty sure" it was from 21, but they didn't have access to the log to confirm. Either multiple sectors are actually available to discover a sector, or the other 2 people with actual screenshots were right and it's actually from sector 20.
    If I remember it correctly that person later said the sector unlock was at the bottom of the log, which would mean it unlocked from 20. I do not recall seeing anyone actually report sector 23 unlocks from sector 21 in this thread. And it amazes me how those saying it unlocks from 20 were getting shot down.

    We've also unlocked it from sector 20, but have no screenshot for it.
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    Guys, I appreciate the additional reports that allowed us to correct the sector 22 unlock! There was an earlier report that wasn't quite clear. The screenshot really helps, a picture is the best kind of confirmation there is (although that isn't always possible because of the bug that sometimes doesn't show the unlock in the log). There is no one to blame on this except me, I added it to the guide a bit too soon. Maybe like some of you, we've been targeting the wrong sector to find 22, so this is welcome news!

    Updating the guide! \o/

    Quote Originally Posted by WhiteWings View Post
    If I remember it correctly that person later said the sector unlock was at the bottom of the log, which would mean it unlocked from 20. I do not recall seeing anyone actually report sector 23 unlocks from sector 21 in this thread. And it amazes me how those saying it unlocks from 20 were getting shot down.
    Remember, hindsight is 20/22! =D

    I don't think anyone was trying to shoot anyone down, there has just been some confusion about which sector unlocks which based on how it is displayed in the voyage log. The unlock message comes after the "changing course to (the next sector)" so it is quite common to get mixed up on which sector actually unlocks it. Add to that, it sometimes doesn't even show up in the voyage log, even in the initial report! Sometimes it doesn't show up in the initial report and only shows up after you "finalize report", so it is really quite inconsistent.

    Finally, there has been a trend that the sector on the map that is closest is the unlocking sector, which was consistent up until sector 22.

    Anyway, I think we are all doing pretty good considering \o/ Keep those reports coming folks, and lets see if we can find sectors 23 and 24!
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    I think there was a misunderstanding. I apologize. I had 22 listed as either unlocking from 20 or 21 because it wasn't clear since people had been sending ships to both sectors. I asked for confirmation, and someone said they confirmed it was 21, not 20. No proof was posted, but I took them at their word. I will change it to 20. If someone can confirm unlocking it from 21 via a trip that does not include 20 but does include the 22 unlock, I'll restore it and we'll have our first dual-unlock sector. Until then, I'm going to assume the person who "confirmed" that 21 unlocked 22 was in error since no screenshot was shown.
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    (The links below are sadly outdated. I hope to get around to updating things at some point.)
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    Airship Guide: http://tinyurl.com/ffxivairshipguide (\v/) Airship Quick Reference: http://tinyurl.com/ffxivairshipqr
    Airship Logsheet: http://tinyurl.com/ffxivairshiplog (/|\) Airship Builder Tool: http://tinyurl.com/ffxivairshipbuilder

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    No one has yet logged a voyage to a sector from 17-22 that brought back elemental crystals. Can you even get crystals from SC17+ sectors?

    As for rank 50 max airframe ships, let's assume that Survey and Favor are non-desirable stats at endgame. If I'm right, Favor just influences exp bonuses (I could totally be wrong), and we don't know what Survey does, but I'm of the opinion that it isn't terribly useful later on or else they wouldn't have a min survey requirement on the rank 50 sectors. Again, I could totally be wrong. So, let's look at some ships that keep Survey as close to 90 as possible without going under while maximizing airframe usage.

    Now, how much Hull do you need? You need exactly enough to reach your destination. So, the question is, what are you farming? My FC likes Deep Red Clusters more than the other colors (reduced rates and heat of battle), so that would mean I would want to farm SC17 or SC20. SC20 has the better rare item (Iron Giant Core), but SC17 has the better materia (Crafter Comm/Comp III/IV). I have no idea how far the two are from each other, but looking at the map, I can postulate that 17 is about as close to the path from Home to 20 as 15 is. Using the numbers from 15, I get 81 range to hit both 15 and 20, so I feel it's safe to assume that home->17->20 would take ~80 range. Just hitting 20 takes 53 range, and just hitting 17 takes 46 range.

    Obviously, the stats we want to maximize are speed and retrieval. Speed has a directly inverse relation to travel time. So, a ship with 50 speed would take exactly twice as long to fly a route as a ship with 100 speed. However, it is unclear how retrieval affects yields. However, it's clear that the higher your speed, the lower your retrieval, and vice versa, due to the way the penalties are set up. Also, your retrieval affects your forecastle choice due to the minimum survey needed.

    Looking at the endgame sectors, I'd love to hit two per trip instead of just one. Here are some cost pairs for the ones I know of (due to the route-split issue, I have reports from people who have 19+20+21 unlocked but not 16, 17, or 18, and I personally have 16+17+18 unlocked, but not 19, 20, or 21). I don't have numbers for SC22 yet at all, so I have no idea how far it is from the others. SC16 isn't as interesting as the others unless you're farming for materia, and if you're farming for materia, you probably want the nearby sector SC17 as well. I'll have to re-examine this when I know more numbers.

    Range 64: SC17 & SC18: Crafter Materia, Red Clusters, Green Clusters, Iron Giant Core, Toy Box Schema, Dusk Leather x2
    Range 68: SC16 & SC17: Crafter Materia, Gatherer Materia, Red Clusters, Far Eastern Coin, Toy Box Schema, Dusk Leather
    Range 70: SC20 & SC21: Red Clusters, Green Clusters, Iron Giant Core, Toy Box Schema, Dusk Leather x2
    Range 74: SC19 & SC20: Red Clusters, Blue Clusters, Iron Giant Core x2, Dusk Leather x2
    Range 79: SC19 & SC21: Blue Clusters, Green Clusters, Iron Giant Core, Toy Box Schema, Dusk Leather x2


    The Maximum Speed Duo
    This ship might or might not have the range needed to hit both 17 and 20. Again, I don't have the 17->20 data. If it does have enough, I might run it for farming those two. This ship is likely to get low yields, but much more often than a ship that had higher retrieval (and thus lower speed).

    Survey 90
    Retrieve 78
    Speed 132
    Range 78
    Favor 90

    Hull: Enterprise
    Rigging: Tatanora
    Forecastle: Enterprise
    Aftcastle: Enterprise



    The Maximum Yield Duo
    So, let's look at having enough range for SOME dual sector runs, but personally, I don't care for the SC19/SC21 sector pair, so let's not worry about getting enough range for that pair.

    Survey 92
    Retrieve 132
    Speed 78
    Range 76
    Favor 108

    Hull: Invincible
    Rigging: Enterprise
    Forecastle: Invincible II
    Aftcastle: Tatanora



    The Slightly Balanced Duo
    Trying to balance out Yield and Speed while still keeping Survey at 90+ and Range at 70+, this is the best I can do:

    Survey 96
    Retrieve 114
    Speed 96
    Range 72
    Favor 108

    Hull: Invincible
    Rigging: Invincible II
    Forecastle: Invincible II
    Aftcastle: Odyssey



    The Slightly Longer Range Duo Trio
    I don't think any of the above will let me hit 17 and 20, so here's an attempt to get a ship with more than 80 range, while keeping survey at 90+ and maximizing the other two stats. There are three possible ships with these stats, all of which have 200 combined Speed/Retireve and none of which I actually really like. It's also pretty much impossible to get a ship with 82-84 range that has 90-96 survey, and almost all ships with more then 80 range wind up having 94+ range.

    1 - Balanced and Boring
    Survey 100
    Retrieve 100
    Speed 100
    Range 86
    Favor 108

    Hull: Enterprise
    Rigging: Invincible II
    Forecastle: Invincible II
    Aftcastle: Invincible II

    2 - Slow and Steady
    Survey 92
    Retrieve 136
    Speed 64
    Range 94
    Favor 108

    Hull: Enterprise
    Rigging: Invincible
    Forecastle: Invincible II
    Aftcastle: Tatanora

    3 - Frugal and Fast
    Survey 90
    Retrieve 82
    Speed 118
    Range 96
    Favor 86

    Hull: Invincible II
    Rigging: Odyssey
    Forecastle: Enterprise
    Aftcastle: Enterprise



    The Single Sector
    All sectors are 54 or less from home, except sector SC22. If you're only hitting one sector, you might as well maximize stats. I feel like it's better to hit two sectors rather than one though, assuming two sectors have whatever you're trying to farm.

    Survey 96
    Retrieve 110
    Speed 110
    Range 54
    Favor 112

    Hull: Bronco
    Rigging: Odyssey
    Forecastle: Invincible II
    Aftcastle: Odyssey



    The Sector 22
    It takes 56 range to hit just sector SC22, the furthest sector from Home. All other sectors require 53 or less.

    Survey 92
    Retrieve 128
    Speed 92
    Range 58
    Favor 112

    Hull: Bronco
    Rigging: Invincible II
    Forecastle: Invincible II
    Aftcastle: Tatanora



    The Short Swift Single Sector Ship Schematic Summary
    Now, if your single sector is NOT SC19, SC20, or SC22 and you value speed more than retrieve, you can go with this:

    Survey 100
    Retrieve 92
    Speed 128
    Range 50
    Favor 112

    Hull: Bronco
    Rigging: Tatanora
    Forecastle: Invincible II
    Aftcastle: Invincible II



    The Minor Traveler
    Now, if you don't want to hit the endgame (17+) sectors and want to instead farm something from the early game sectors, and you want to hit as many sectors as possible, you can make one of these three, all designed to have tons of range and no survey/favor:

    1 - Balanced and Boring
    Survey 58
    Retrieve 100
    Speed 100
    Range 128
    Favor 50

    Hull: Tatanora
    Rigging: Invincible II
    Forecastle: Bronco
    Aftcastle: Invincible II

    2 - Slow and Steady
    Survey 50
    Retrieve 136
    Speed 64
    Range 136
    Favor 50

    Hull: Tatanora
    Rigging: Invincible
    Forecastle: Bronco
    Aftcastle: Tatanora

    3 - Frugal and Fast
    Survey 66
    Retrieve 64
    Speed 136
    Range 120
    Favor 50

    Hull: Tatanora
    Rigging: Tatanora
    Forecastle: Bronco
    Aftcastle: Invincible


    If you instead just want to hit a reasonable number of sectors, the following two are great choices, in my opinion:

    The Minor Miner Miner
    There are three sectors with gathering materia pre-17: 04, 10, and 16. Hitting all three takes 78 Range. Unfortunately, only one of those can drop tier IV materia, but if you want to gather tier 3 too, you can do this (and the trip would take about 33 hours):

    Survey 54
    Retrieve 106
    Speed 126
    Range 78
    Favor 62

    Hull: Enterprise
    Rigging: Tatanora
    Forecastle: Bronco
    Aftcastle: Odyssey


    The Crafty Crafter Crafter
    There are three sectors with crafting materia pre-17: 03, 07, and 13. Hitting all three takes 95 Range. Unfortunately, only one of those can drop tier IV materia, but if you want to gather tier 3 too, you can do this (and the trip would take about 36 hours):

    Survey 54
    Retrieve 110
    Speed 110
    Range 96
    Favor 58

    Hull: Invincible II
    Rigging: Odyssey
    Forecastle: Bronco
    Aftcastle: Odyssey



    Summary
    In summary, Invincible II Forecastles are incredibly useful for hitting the 17+ sectors. Almost every ship schematic shared here uses them. I personally wouldn't bother with an Odyssey or Tatanora Hull, but I suppose one of those would be really useful for hitting a ton of early game sectors. But even then, most trips won't use THAT much range.
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    Last edited by Nyalia; 09-10-2015 at 03:18 AM.
    (The links below are sadly outdated. I hope to get around to updating things at some point.)
    Desynthesis Guide: http://tinyurl.com/ffxivdesynth

    Airship Guide: http://tinyurl.com/ffxivairshipguide (\v/) Airship Quick Reference: http://tinyurl.com/ffxivairshipqr
    Airship Logsheet: http://tinyurl.com/ffxivairshiplog (/|\) Airship Builder Tool: http://tinyurl.com/ffxivairshipbuilder

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    Quote Originally Posted by BonzaiFerroni View Post
    Remember, hindsight is 20/22! =D
    I see what you did there. :3

    We will also make sure to take a good screenshot next time.
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