Ways to fix BRD and MCH in a realistic way

[QiLymePye]

You mean the mana song that healers would rather do without once they've learned the timing of the fight? Or did you mean the tp song which no melee needs once they learn how to manage Invigorate? Or did you just mean the magic damage+ song which only effects half the dps in your party, at best, for a limited time?

When are you, and everyone else who seems unable to do anything else but mindlessly quote these incorrect and inaccurate fallacies, going to pull their heads out of their @$$'s and realize that song's aren't the only reason BRD and MCN exist? When was the last time you failed a pull and said, "Damn, I wish we had a TP song going then. We would've cleared it for sure."

Never. Instead, you just say things like, "DPS is too low. Kick the BRD/MCN."

Exactly!!! Last I checked...BRD and MCH are DPS first and foremost

[RiceisNice]

Or did you mean the tp song which no melee needs once they learn how to manage Invigorate? Or did you just mean the magic damage+ song which only effects half the dps in your party, at best, for a limited time?

Never. Instead, you just say things like, "DPS is too low. Kick the BRD/MCN."

Melee needs a TP song if the boss is a punching bag like The Avatar or Kaylia with no downtime. The thing is, current content has none of those bosses. And I'll vouch for this, you're certainly not hitting the enrage timer if melee is getting TP starved during the boss.

One way they can fix MCH? Boost the damage bonus from GB. There's absolutely no reason a full-time GB barely pulls ahead (and I'm talking 1-3% more dps here, under the absolute perfect circumstances, like a target dummy) of not using GB at all.

[StouterTaru]

One way they can fix MCH? Boost the damage bonus from GB. There's absolutely no reason a full-time GB barely pulls ahead (and I'm talking 1-3% more dps here, under the absolute perfect circumstances, like a target dummy) of not using GB at all.

This is the majority of the issue, using GB/WM 100% uptime has no damage boost. 20% damage boost for loss of auto-attack is a neutral move, and you lose mobility when you do it. Just like every other job in the game, building your rotation around using the new skills as much as possible isn't optimal.

[Musashidon]

This is the majority of the issue, using GB/WM 100% uptime has no damage boost.

lucky for you you're not supose to.

[Lillia]

When was the last time you failed a pull and said, "Damn, I wish we had a TP song going then. We would've cleared it for sure."

Uh just a few days ago when our healer ran out of MP in a fight I literally said this as I was playing foes instead, then the attempt where I ballad here and there = win and I also said it that time when my group did a big pull and the healer's mp went dry as they healed the pull! Oh and that one time.... nah I think you get it.... >_>

I do however play foes whenever I am with a healer or caster unless the heals change to CS even once as there are heals who still do DPS and help take stuff down faster.

And if you haven't noticed, a few heals have been running out of MP a bit faster since around lvl 51.

As far as TP goes, it's not needed right now because there is no real TP stress fight atm, All we have is two EX primals right now. Two primals who I may add yes, need a dps check but if you have ninjas hey they can goad each other and mnks should be able to restore their TP more now.

When Alexander comes, we'll see how much they can supply themselves and if SE feels it's to the point where bard isn't needed for a thing then it'll be tweaked.

[Intellion]

Nope, its not, their main bonus are the damn songs, why bards cant understand this?

No.

A Bard's core mechanic revolves around mobility and the rapid-weaving of oGCDs. Songs are just our sidearm. They should be used, but only when appropriate.

Why can't non-Bards just stop commenting on these Bard feedback threads when they don't even play/main the class or know how the class truly operates unlike career Bards?

[meldon90]

No.

A Bard's core mechanic revolves around mobility and the rapid-weaving of oGCDs. Songs are just our sidearm. They should be used, but only when appropriate.

Why can't non-Bards just stop commenting on these Bard feedback threads when they don't even play/main the class or know how the class truly operates unlike career Bards?

You know that giving a class that has useful support features the same DPS of a class who doesnt is making a game unbalanced? Its bad game design, they gave you the minuet and they also said it will be boosted, why are you still here arguing?

Also the word CAREER applied on a game is so wrong i cant even describe.

[Duelle]

You know that giving a class that has useful support features the same DPS of a class who doesnt is making a game unbalanced?

Except it's already been brought up that other DPS have options to help their groups. BRD doesn't (and should not) have a monopoly on group buffs or support abilities. Hell, DRGs can increase the party's critical hit rate while NIN have Goad and the ability to make the enemy take more damage (plus slashing debuff).

[Lewtskie]

You know that giving a class that has useful support features the same DPS of a class who doesnt is making a game unbalanced? Its bad game design, they gave you the minuet and they also said it will be boosted, why are you still here arguing?

Also the word CAREER applied on a game is so wrong i cant even describe.

People have made an extensive list of all the bullshit other jobs can do w/o being penalized. We suffer those penalties when not even using said support mechanics.

So instead of making it so our damage output is halved while playing said support songs, for example, we are constantly doing less damage on average when not even using said mechanics and then taking yet another penalty on top of that when playing them.

So where's the brilliant game design there? And I swear, the only people who keep bringing up the "should be doing the same damage as other DPS" are those who keep trying to tell us off. How many have actually said we should have damage on par with the rest of our role who weren't told off even by us? Seriously, stop putting these concepts on us.

[Intellion]

You know that giving a class that has useful support features the same DPS of a class who doesnt is making a game unbalanced? Its bad game design, they gave you the minuet and they also said it will be boosted, why are you still here arguing?

Also the word CAREER applied on a game is so wrong i cant even describe.

Um, we're not asking for the same DPS as melee or casters. Well, at least many of us career Bards aren't.

We don't want raw damage. That's not what we signed up for when we picked this job. All we want are improvements that actually expand upon our core mechanics and gameplay, not some half-assed "damage buff/caster mode" that no one asked for and also completely destroys what our class is supposed to be.

Our DPS doesn't have to be high. It's a tradeoff we get for our mobility and utility. After all, our class is all about mobility since we compensate for our low damage by being able to maintain DPS while dodging and rapid-firing oGCDs and procs. Just expand on our current gameplay without drastically changing it.

Many of us don't even care about Wanderer's Minuet. Buffing it won't solve the problem. If they removed WM altogether and made Empyreal Arrow and Iron Jaws usable outside of it, and returned the damage nerf on our songs from 15% to 20%, that would be more than enough to make many of us career Bards happy.

But of course, you wouldn't understand any of that because to you, a non-Bard who knows jack squat about the job and hasn't even reached lv 52 yet to try out Wanderer's Minuet, let alone Iron Jaws, Empyreal Arrow, and Sidewinder, "OMG YOU GAIZ ARE JUST DAMN JUKEBOXES, WHY CAN'T YOU UNDERSTAND THIS?!"

Truly spoken like someone completely clueless about Bards.

Well, as they say, people usually have strong opinions on things they know nothing about. :P

My advice:

You clearly know nothing about why we Bards chose to main Bards in the first place, nor do you know how to properly play our jobs. Yet here you are, making snarky, smart-ass comments in these BARD feedback threads, despite not having even learned Minuet.

You're just making yourself look bad and stupid. I suggest you just leave. Your opinions are null and void of all credibility if you don't even know a damn thing about what you're talking about.