SE: your deadline

[Gramis]

STUFF-
Quit or don't, no one cares, and we will continue to make jokes about those people that feel that their ultimatums will make the company go "OMG This person is right! We need to fly them to our city so they can help us make this game better!."

If your point is the OP is acting like a kid whining about not getting a toy at the store I can't disagree with you on that. And anyone else who does it certainly has the right to spend their money elsewhere. Complacency is where I see the problem, I mean I don't think anyone wants another FFXIV 1.0

[RedRobinYum]

Please tell me this is a troll thread

[Cyrus-Wallace]

That gif pretty much sums up my reaction for both: This thread and this other thread. I'm totally speechless.

[Crissy]

Some people get it: After months of testing there's no reason for broken states of machinists, bards, or even BLMs.

Most of you remind me of Twisted characters from a Dickens novel.

"Served an unsavory gruel, filled with broken jobs, Oliver was desperate with hunger and reckless with misery.

"Please, sir, I want some more."

SE, fat and healthy, turned pale. It gazed in stupefied astonishment on the small rebel for some seconds. The community was paralyzed with wonder; the forum paupers with fear.

"What!" said SE at length, in a faint voice.

"Please, sir. More."

The forum paupers aimed multiple blows at Oliver's head with their spoons; pinioned his arms; and shrieked aloud."

I don't ask for seconds of game-gruel nor fear a Dickensian mob that uses words like "threat", "harassment", and "ultimatum" in amusing ways. I can give my opinion, give SE my money and play the game as long as I like, or move on. Hang up your spoons and beggar bowls; so can you.

[RyuRoots]

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Bye, then. Don't let the door hit you on the way out. I have no particular ardent defense or love of SE's approach or any strong feelings on it at present. Just leave if you're going to. No one really cares about your sub, and I promise you that SE doesn't care about self-important pseudo-intellectual forum posts either.

[Violyre]

I don't ask for seconds of game-gruel nor fear a Dickensian mob that uses words like "threat", "harassment", and "ultimatum"

I swore I was just going to observe this thread after my last post, but are you REALLY still in denial of what an ultimatum is?

ultimatum
[uhl-tuh-mey-tuh m, -mah-]
Examples Word Origin
noun, plural ultimatums, ultimata [uhl-tuh-mey-tuh, -mah-]
1. a final, uncompromising demand or set of terms issued by a party to a dispute, the rejection of which may lead to a severance of relations or to the use of force.
2. a final proposal or statement of conditions.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/ultimatum?s=t

Final, Uncompromising Demand/Set of Term: Fix MCH.
What happens if you reject: You go away, I'm sure much to many people's happiness since you BUTCHERED DICKENS. Clearly SE was supposed to hit you over the head, though maybe someone already did.

I could forgive your ignorance if you didn't decide to pick and choose what characters did what in your Oliver Twist parody.

The evening arrived; the boys took their places. The master, in his cook's uniform, stationed himself at the copper; his pauper assistants ranged themselves behind him; the gruel was served out; and a long grace was said over the short commons. The gruel disappeared; the boys whispered each other, and winked at Oliver; while his next neighbours nudged him. Child as he was, he was desperate with hunger, and reckless with misery. He rose from the table; and advancing to the master, basin and spoon in hand, said: somewhat alarmed at his own temerity:

'Please, sir, I want some more.'

The master was a fat, healthy man; but he turned very pale. He gazed in stupified astonishment on the small rebel for some seconds, and then clung for support to the copper. The assistants were paralysed with wonder; the boys with fear.

'What!' said the master at length, in a faint voice.

'Please, sir,' replied Oliver, 'I want some more.'

The master aimed a blow at Oliver's head with the ladle; pinioned him in his arm; and shrieked aloud for the beadle.

The board were sitting in solemn conclave, when Mr. Bumble rushed into the room in great excitement, and addressing the gentleman in the high chair, said,

[Spawnie]

entitlement issues is strong in this 1 lol fix my demands b4 anything else or ill unsub

[TheCurls]

na-na-na-na. na-na-na-na. Hey, hey-ey.....

[Burkewitz]

uninstall life

[Carson_The_Brown]

Not a rant, not a rage-quit, not meant for anyone in the community; only SE.

Square Enix, you have a deadline. I have 3 weeks left on my monthly subscription. You have that long to: (a) fix the myriad problems with machinist dps, or (b) fix the problems with bard stances and mobility, or (c) give the community a commitment to do one or the other by a specific, reasonable date. (Waiting until after Alex is not "reasonable".)

Otherwise, I'll withdraw my subscription. There are other games out there for me to play or go back to, and it is not worth my time and money to be asked consistently to leave a dungeon in the first 30 seconds, because my one character is a bard and my other character is a machinist. (Yes, I can return to BLM, but I never liked the lack of mobility, and there are other games with mobile dps "battle mages".)

That's all. Answer, don't answer, do as you see fit, SE. But now you know my position.
Thanks for the fun, up until Heavensward level 55.

Let me preface this by saying I agree with you. Bards suck right now and you are completely right on that side of the problem. I don't think Wanderer's Minuet really should be fixed, it adds an interesting dimension to play and an interesting choice to each boss battle that I find refreshing. Should I contribute more to DPS or should I keep my mobility. I don't think we should be allowed both. unless you want to have it drain Mana or something.

Balance in an asymmetric multiplayer game is inherently cyclical. Yes, sometimes you will be down on the charts and that really sucks but some day you will be back up. We Bards got 2 years on the top of the mountain, both being able to contribute insane DPS (seriously, I could solo bosses in Vanilla) and being a crowd favourite among healers. Admit it, we could afford to be taken down a peg.

That does not at all mean that we are in a good spot balance wise. Healers still love me but my amazing rotation has fallen out of favor for a lancer that I watched literally 2 shot the adds on Curator. On top of that, nobody listens to bottom DPS. I got kicked from a PUG yesterday for "harassment" for daring to ask the tank to pop cooldowns. Nobody respects us any more and its frustrating, its why I'm working up Marauder so that I can tank and not get abused.

That being said.

Alexander is an unacceptable wait? He comes out in 3 days. Yes, Bard sucks right now, but your stress level is at a 10, it needs to be a 2. Do you have any idea how long it takes to get anything done in game dev?

First you need to submit a design doc and a pitch that explains whats wrong, why its wrong and why its worth redirecting money and coders from things like additional servers and bug fixes. Then you need to find a handful of programmers that haven't already had massive heart attacks from the pressure and throw them on this extremely pedantic task that nobody wants to do. Afterwards, you need testers because obviously the slightest fix would bring the entire game down or do something ridiculous like disable a boss's core mechanics (google Rogue Bomb Lich King some day and lament the squad of dudes you know got fired). Once that's done you need to cold reboot the servers because nothing like this can be live patched and after that you need to buy about 5 kilos of marijuana to fight the PTSD incurred by your community managers because they have to listen to the hand full of Bards bitching about how they are now second on the DPS charts. This is not the type of matter that one can simply throw a switch, grind everything to a halt, slam it out in 8 hours and have it back in place before the kids get home from summer camp.

I am really sorry to lash at you like this. I understand how much this blows and needs to be fixed ASAP. We just need to give SE some time. Trust me, they will fix it. Until then level your fishing. Its actually pretty relaxing.